Friday, May 6, 2016

Conveniently Nature-Free

This newsletter from Vimeo, a popular Internet video site, landed in my inbox the other day...

It looks like the modern nerd/geek kids are joining the macho/jock men in proclaiming their independence from whatever it is they think "nature" is.

This worldview that we are just about done being at the mercy of nature and her capricious behavior is not that uncommon anymore. A few years ago, on an internal mailing list at Google, an employee asked why there's no policy of exterminating snakes that sometimes wander on to the campus. His argument was that humans don't need snakes anymore. He did get a flurry of responses taking him to task for his outrageous view, but truth be told, his worldview is not an exception among young city-dwellers. There is that discussion I overheard in a cafeteria, also at Google, where a couple of employees were wondering why anyone would need to step out of their climate-controlled environs in the near future.

The age of the "shut-ins" is here - - the people who take pride in never having to leave home. What do these people who stay home do all day? It turns out that many of them build smartphone apps that let people order all manner of delivery services so they can... stay home! DoorDash, one of those apps that lets one have food delivered to the doorstep advertises itself with “NEVER LEAVE HOME AGAIN.”!

For a long time, the Japanese have been so beset with a rising trend of young men isolating themselves in their rooms that the phenomenon has a name with its own Wikipedia entry - Hikikomori. "According to government figures released in 2010, there are 700,000 individuals living as hikikomori with an average age of 31. Additionally, the government estimates that 1.55 million people are on the verge of becoming hikikomori. While hikikomori is mostly a Japanese phenomenon, cases have been found in the United States, Morocco,OmanSpainItalySouth Korea and France. Recent research using the same standardized definition of hikikomori has found evidence of it existing in other countries as wide-ranging as the United States and India. However, considering that hikikomori adolescents are hidden away and their parents are often reluctant to talk about the problem, it is extremely difficult to gauge the number accurately." Well, yes, it's indeed hard to estimate their numbers because the're understandably loathe to answering the door when the census lady drops by!

What we are witnessing is a growing trend of humanity's separation from nature sometimes manifesting as a psychological condition. This trend has unmistakably been in place for at least the last 10,000 to 12,000 years. Key milestones along this path include the invention of agriculture, migration to villages, towns and then cities, the introduction of usury (interest-based money), the advent of the machine, the spread of Scientism, and now, the obsession with life extension technologies and colonization of Mars! Despite what modern culture would have one believe, all these developments and trends are antithetical to nature, and ultimately, as we are discovering, a sign of deep cultural rot.

How fashionable it has become to indulge in "conveniently nature-free activities"! As if there is such a thing to begin with! And will 4K Ultra HD will ever be a substitute for the real thing?


  1. Good one Satish.


    1. Oh, and there's a nature 2 too.

      Nature 2...

  2. Nature Deficit Disorder -

    "Nature deficit disorder refers to the phrase coined by Richard Louv in his 2005 book Last Child in the Woods[1] that human beings, especially children, are spending less time outdoors[2] resulting in a wide range of behavioral problems.[3][4] This disorder is not recognized in any of the medical manuals for mental disorders, such as the ICD-10[5] or the DSM-5.[6] Evidence was compiled and reviewed in 2009.[7] Richard Louv has stated "nature-deficit disorder is not meant to be a medical diagnosis but rather to serve as a description of the human costs of alienation from the natural world."

  3. satish,

    another great post. tks.

    good one lwa.


  4. Excellent points, Satish.

    "How fashionable it has become to indulge in 'conveniently nature-free activities'! As if there is such a thing to begin with!"

    I read long ago where Fukuoka said that we can't escape nature, for we're in and part of it. He's an interesting guy in general.

  5. @Dear Satish Musunuru:

    You last comment at NBL is one of the most beautiful comments I have seen for a long time! Just VERY beautiful. Thanks again for that extraordinary inspiring comment!

    1. I second that Satish.

      You and oldgrowth and Nemesis have all had some really profound comments there lately. Thanks all three of you.

      Me, I don't know so much book stuff anymore since I had my left brain lobotomy, so I don't have much to add except my personally experienced woo, which isn't much use to anyone but me I think.

      Thanks too for the mirrors oldgrowth, I've been hearing you. Really, I have.

      That's me ... dumb like tree.

      Just ask mo, lol.

      I just only do what I'm told anymore.

    2. Satish,

      I'm afraid to open NBL, lest I get hooked. It's been like a drug for nearly 4 years, and I'm relieved that I have no urge right now to go there. Was your recent post (mentioned above) too long for kuku, and if not, do you have a reason not to post it here?

      Ditto to LWA, although I don't know who it is telling me what to do. I just do what I happen to do, following my instincts much of the time. I try to figure out how I can think and act so as to feel good. If I can achieve that, I must be doing something right. :-)

    3. .
      Artleads, I think Satish's comment was mostly probably just symbolically important in the flow and context of an evolving conversation taking place over a few threads. Maybe it was even an evolution of ideas over a much longer period of time than that. Maybe even centuries or even millennia, in fact.

      Just know that it was wonderful energetically the way it all went down. To me, it was more of a happening than anything specific that was said, words being what they are and all. It was the energy of it and the effect.

      A funny thing about following your heart (for me anyway) is that sometimes you start out thinking you're doing one thing, and when you look back, you realize you've gotten yourself to a destination that you never could have ever intellectually planned for, or intended, or even known you were heading for. Yet look at where you've arrived !!

      That's NBL for me lately. And worth every penny I paid for my membership too. I had actually hoped for worse. Go figure.

      Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

      There's a quantum physics manifestation tip for anyone who's interested, straight from Luke Skywalker at the 17:33 point in the video.

      Count yourself lucky Artleads. Don't open NBL, it's the same old place. And the weeds will always grow back again.

      Some day I will join you, and the world will live as one. (Ha, some John Lemon.)

    4. Thank you, Nemesis and LWA! It gets to me sometimes when I see such obvious mocking of primitive cultures.

      Artleads, here is the comment, in case you want to look at it and nothing else above. But that's probably like showing a cigarette to a smoker trying to get out of the addiction and expecting him to take it in stride! -

    5. It was my pleasure Satish. We all gots ta look out for our spirit sisters and brothers after all.

      And Artleads, just one ... and then I'm throwing the rest of the pack into the oilsands fire ... ok?


  6. Thanks for the link, Satish. And you were quite correct in likening that act to addiction enabling. :-)

    So after a couple hours on NBL--I read one word at a time--I'm back at kuku. And thankful to have read what you and OGF had to say to Lidia. What she seems to miss is the importance of love and respect. But that takes the heart, while it is the head that gets her status. Thanks for the profound humor too, LWA.

    Mark, (if you read this) it was great reading your post. Yes. Life is the greatest miracle of all the miracles. LWA sent you the wind, apparently, while I sent Mueli (?) (Spark of Life) the riotous spirit to ride with the wind. It's a wonderful world, my friend.

  7. A thought experiment (and only that!)

    Lidia's reality seems to mistake the parts for the whole...somewhat like the three blind people perceiving the elephant to be either the trunk, legs, or tail--because those are what they perceive separately--as "what the elephant is." So, instead of reality being interrupting the flow of energy or whatever TF it's supposed to be, could it be what relationship of parts keeps the society minding its own business while surviving for millennia? There is a moral component to it, without which it is not reality? If the Enlightenment proposes that nature is just the collection of atoms, a view that most surely has opened up the jaws of human extinction within less than 400 years, isn't that less of a reliable view of reality than that of enduring societies which claimed to descend from Coyotes? Just wondering...

    1. Artleads, you're absolutely right... it's the preoccupation with measurable phenomena and the logic that binds them (left brain thinking) that underlies Lidia's confusion. It has been this way from the time I found NBL - the arguments are about energy gradients. I was going to write a response on NBL along these very lines and your comments are on the spot. All head, no heart. An obsession with physical reality (13 ft of bison bones).

    2. I second that Artleads, wholeheartedly. (lol, wholeheartedly, well, from what parts of it I've managed to find and cobble together anyway, lol.)

      Knowing (head), albeit truth, has not been much of an advantage to us at all. At least not without a lot of additional moderation by the act of just being (heart.)

      This is the very definition of the word paradox put across in so many mysticism philosophies, the seemingly nonsensical notion that to 'know' about things brings no real advantage at all, and even just derails. Even more so goes the parable, it actually totally derails ... it is the actual delusion and illusion, although it certainly doesn't seem so with all it's wondrous and absolutely factual mechanical 'knowings.' It is actually pure folly.

      Although it's my least favorite mythology to quote because of how it has been so warped into nonsense, this is the meaning of the garden of Eden parable ... to eat from the tree of 'knowledge' ejects one from the garden of Eden (a state of mind, not a place), and is a 'temptation' to be avoided. A seduction, and one very difficult to resist too ... because all that knowing stuff seems so darned true, it all adds up and works like such clockwork. Yet it doesn't help, it's damaging to existence.

      See? People have figured this out and even CHOSEN a certain course before based on having gone down this wrong path before. (Ha, like THAT adds up for today's scientists, who believe the theory of evolution MUST mean by default we are currently the most evolved along their linear timeline, which would be the logical thing to assume, yet they are wrong.)

      Lidia see's a person like me and thinks I come from dumbness and just am not smart enough to see her worldview of facts and machine parts. In fact, I got a 4.0 at school, miles above me peers, and have quite a capacity for left brain thinking. What actually happened was I 'saw the light', so to speak, and rejected my apple from that nasty tree of knowledge. I instead chose the path of the heart, having realized that other route was pure folly, despite it's shiny appearance of truth.

      I blather too much. Sorry if I like to talk and share, lol. Yes Artleads, you have nailed in in a few short words quite nicely. Thinking that to know how all the parts work together and obsessing over it is a mistake. You're just supposed to accept the package and have fun with it, not cut it up and separate all it's parts out into a confusing mess.

      The Egyptians had this down and appeared to be symbolic thinkers, a whole different way to be. So were all the indigenous cultures I believe as well. Then something weird happened, a schism, and they burned down the library at Alexandria and we moved into the materialist worldview out of the middle east there. The rest is, well, history. Imagine all the miraculous things that library must have contained. Yes, the new materialists sure burned that down in a hurry.

      Nice one Artleads and Satish. You figured it out. Let's honor and thank Lidia for demonstrating exactly how NOT to think. No sarcasm intended either, she plays a role by doing that. Not that I like how it feels to converse with her. It makes her mean. Then I get mean. That's wetiko. Icky.

      Cheers you two. Sorry for my long winded and left brained analysis, lol.

      Some have called rational thought a mental illness. I think I quite agree. And I'm not immune from it either. It's all around now, and it's catchy. Here ... says my brain, eat some apple like everyone else. You'll like it. It'll explain everything.

    3. Well said, LWA: "Thinking that to know how all the parts work together and obsessing over it is a mistake. You're just supposed to accept the package and have fun with it, not cut it up and separate all it's parts out into a confusing mess."


      "Ha, like THAT adds up for today's scientists, who believe the theory of evolution MUST mean by default we are currently the most evolved along their linear timeline, which would be the logical thing to assume, yet they are wrong."

      So true... the notion that things have been getting better and better is the predominant worldview today. It's like jumping off a cliff and accelerating to terminal speed and thinking to ourselves how beautiful the scenery is and how it gets faster and faster. The rush of air is surely exhilarating. Until SPLAT!

      Whatever we used to do, we used to do it slowly, giving nature and other species around us ample opportunity to adapt and flourish. We were expert at grafting and making new varieties, although it could be argued that we were well along the way of separation from nature already at that point. But contrasting it to today's methods of rapid genetic engineering, we see the pace of change has sped up immensely and other species don't have a chance to adapt. Except the antibiotic-resistant germs, it seems. They have no trouble teaching us a lesson!

  8. I agree, LWA, regarding the Garden of Eden myth, entirely. It's a state of mind, and one says you're taken care of, and the other says you have to have more. I also find it fascinating that the real motivation behind eating the fruit and to even have the knowledge at all, was an effort to be equal to God. It was hubris, and it, too, is a psychological state where humans don't have a realistic understanding of themselves. I'm certain this story has its roots in a nature culture.

    1. I don't like to talk about the posters at NBL here at Kuku. I'm okay with talking about patterns of language, if we wish, but analyzing other people, even if we are trying to understand behaviors, is uncomfortable for me.