Wednesday, November 25, 2015

Trickle-down Economics


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  1. Cheers. A toast to those little glasses at the bottom getting crushed back down to silicon & crystal from which they came. Trickle down recycling under the great weight and pressures of yet another Empire. All roads leading from Rome...Versailles...times squared.

    Thanks for what Satish has given. Through the looking glass. Full of insight.

    Shep at the table. Artleads with a vision for better Land Use. Grapes of wrath. A dusty collapse. The Energy of endless Entropy, breaks down old structures. Does time pour from a bottle? Red or white? SATISH with a world of problems on our dish, in what do we delight?

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  2. Daydreaming...

    100 years ago, ordinary people (the majority?) hardly traveled. The private automobile was a rarity, reserved for the rich. Today, we generally assume that travel is normal, a God-given right. Those without a private auto are the exception, and probably live in big cities, like NY, with abundant and ubiquitous public transportation in its core. Or else they're poor and on Welfare.

    But to apply some moderation and commonsense, it should be possible to grasp that 100 years is a very short time in human history. We should also be able to get it that the fossil fuels that made the last 100 years possible are not as cheap and easy to mine as they once were. We should also be able to see that they produce greenhouse gases that trap heat within Earth's atmosphere. The childish, manipulated reaction is to look for presumed cleaner ways to live the fossil fuel lifestyle. But it takes fossil fuels to find, mine, manufacture, distribute and maintain those supposed renewable energy sources. It's a trap.

    What is harder to understand--not that anyone is trying--is that maintaining a 20th century lifestyle is not only not possible; it also is not desirable. For one thing, it depends on subservience to a central economic system that atomizes communities into workers for that central system, cut off from neighbors into discreet, traditionally nuclear-family units that answer to the center but to no one else. They live and die to appease the system. One reward up till now is the lack of rootedness, the ability or even expectation to lift up and move at will.

    But let's pretend that the last 100 years was one gigantic con game, supported by unprecedented levels of propaganda, and based on psychological- as well as physical-science. forms of mass coercion. One problem is that all this technological control, centralization and manipulation doesn't work for long. It uses up irreplaceable natural life supports at an exponential rate. And although very few realize it, we stand at the end of this way of living. The economic Ponzi scheme it's based on is not far from collapse. Climate collapse, although almost no one perceives it, is about to catapult exponentially, and so extremely, that all vertebrate life risks near term extinction (NTE). What to do?

    Maybe nothing. But while it's possible to try, we can try to forestall or head off the worst (for us) of this progressing global catastrophe. I find trying very intriguing.

    I have a daydream. It's that we learn to stay in one place, become more decoupled from the central system, and divide ourselves up into increasingly self-sufficient hubs. No formula. Whatever works toward survival of the whole through survival of the local.

    Nothing travels--not water, not people, not even nuclear waste.

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    1. Good summary of what's been going on and where we are, Artleads. You're absolutely right about how minuscule a part of the total human history the last 100 or 200 years have been. 0.1% or less. And yet, we live as if this last 0.1% of our history is the new normal. We don't see it as an anomaly. As an outlier on the curve. As a stretch. As a completely unsustainable period of history.

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  3. I have a daydream about nuclear waste, but even I can perceive the utter folly of it. My knowledge of science might be around that of a fourth grader in an average public school. I have no idea how nuclear technology works. Worse, I don't want to know. I'm good with a yes or a no, and once in a while, a simple explanations of not more than one line. It should always be remembered that my level of understanding is at a low forth grade level. Lower, for all I know.

    My idea for nuclear waste--and I hear there are different kinds, of different potency--is based on ignorance. Someone said that "nuclear waste" encased in cement gets too hot to be contained. What if the cement was a mile thick, I asked. I forget why that wouldn't work. (The destruction caused by such a construction would surely hasten the ecological collapse that is now well underway.) I also would like to throw the very nastiest sludge imaginable on top of the nuclear waste. But there's the heat produced by the sludge microorganisms added to the heat of the nuclear waste. It would be buried, of course. But what about bad things leaching into the surrounding soil? OK, still daydreaming: what about enclosing the sludge/nuke mess in a cement pond, while surrounding that pond with a concentric cement pond of water? What if there are holes in the interior pond that allow the heat to vent into the concentric surrounding pond of water? What would change in the interior ring with the waste? Can those vicious sludge organisms eat up some of the nuclear radiation and render it less harmful?

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    1. There have been many documentaries on nuclear waste. Two I've seen are -

      Secret Nuclear Waste - The Dark Side of Humanity - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Dnhds7Qlik
      Into Eternity - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ3dT7xcMgU

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    2. Thanks. So far, I watched only a few minutes which were extremely sobering. I fully intend to watch the rest. :-)

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  4. I listened to most of the link that was in English. Can't commit to reading the subtitles for the other, even though it looks very informative in a more down-to-earth way.

    The issue is so huge that I have to leave it to higher powers. But I'm torn between the notion of burying it--the cost and political clarity for doing this seems beyond reach--and leaving the waste where it is while focusing on the human behavior and the passion and piety it requires to keep these sites monitored long enough to find a way to make them safe.

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  5. It occurs to me that the dearth of rational thinking currently in society is intertwined with "secularism" (disdain for the spiritual). And it seems that a revolution toward rational thinking is likely to require a revolution toward spirituality. The spirituality of rationality.

    Burying nuke waste without that spiritual revolution of rationality gets us nowhere.

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  6. Page 2A
    DEFUNCT URANIUM MILL LEAKS 1,800 GALLONS
    Cotter Superfund Site Near Canon City Has Another Spill
    by Bruce Finley
    Colorado health officials were reviewing an explanation from Cotter Corp. on Monday after a spill at cotter's defunct uranium mill in central Colorado -- one of the nation's slowest Superfund cleanups. A pipeline leaked about 1,800 gallons last week on Cotter's 2,538-acre property uphill from Canon City and the Arkansas River. Well tests in July found water in the waste pipeline area contained elevated uranium (577 parts per billion, above a 30 ppb health standard) and molybdenum (1840 ppb, above a 100 ppb standard). This spill was the latest of at least 5 since 2010. Federal authorities in 1984 declared an environmental disaster and launched a Superfund cleanup. From 1958 to 1978, Cotter processed uranium for nuclear weapons and fuel at the mill, discharging liquid waste, including radioactive material and heavy metals, into 11 unlined ponds. the ponds were replaced in 1982 with lined waste impoundments. Earthen dams and a pump at the low end of Cotter's property, about 1 1/2 miles from Canon City's Lincoln Park neighborhood, trap water and move it to a pond for treatment. Colorado Dept. of Public Health and Environment officials last week issued a notice of the spill, saying Cotter reported that it was contained. A report from Cotter, sent Monday, said a coupler on a 6-inch pipeline broke Nov. 24 or early Nov. 25 and was fixed. Cotter manager Stephen Cohen said it's unlikely this spill will worsen contamination of groundwater. "We're going to have to take a fresh look at what's going on, in order to prepare a remedial investigation report" for a cleanup, Cohen said. Cotter is a subsidiary of San Diego-based defense contractor General Atomics. "They need to eliminate the contamination at its source," said attorney Travis Stills, who represents the community group Colorado Citizens Against Toxic Waste. Buried mill tailings and impoundment ponds "continue to be sources of contamination. It's some of the most toxic mining residue you could have -- all of what you'd expect to find at a Gold King disaster, plus an overlay of uranium and radioactive isotopes, flowing into ground-water with a very direct route to people and the Arkansas river," Stills said. "What's it going to take to get real action?"

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  7. ARTLEADS - You touch my heart with your daydream. And after 14 years of Nuclear safety work, you also touch my mind on serious issues.

    New reactors have been designed that can burn almost all our current nuclear waste. In the future Thoreium reactors and others type systems might be effective at leaving much less by-product.

    No matter what. No nukes is best. I know I sound radical because a huge portion of my prime of life work has been spent on Nuclear problems. That is why microbes that eat waste are also a semi-solution.

    Still no solution compares to decommissioning everything. Stop all uranium mining & Plutonium enrichment. Every day that we build more. Mine more. Make more excuses & solutions is not the same as stopping now and then working-non stop till all is reduced, removed, done.

    Fri Dec 11th I'm done in D.C. but before I lose all access to inside reports connected to the 2017 "Contagion Action Plan" C.A.P. I want to find a little more spare time to present my case.

    Our security systems will not allow me to copy or share future/plan info from the Rand Corp. The Atlantic Council or ALEC - however, I can use stuff that is now on public record to try to prove that things of past nature are still continuing:

    Over 293 Biological tests have been performed on USA populations in the past. The new 5.6 billion BIOTERROR budget & laws I posted make it possible for DUGWAY PROVING GROUNDS & many others to resume after Obama administration concludes.

    Just like Peal Harbor, D-day, 911, ect most attacks do require planning by some small group or military.

    For the first time in US military history China has troops here training for CAP. In the past few years we shared training missions with China & Russia in Guam and other regions. Now the multi-national Military-Industrial complex is working together unison.

    This is a big change because now they are being completely open about not really having separate sides. The funding. planning & maneuvers which are right now in full operation scale drills are being conducted by the worlds top 5 military powers in total coordination.

    I got buried in a ton of work and social things this week but I will return here shortly to leave a record of Global scale military events in the works that you can fully verify. If you do deeper homework you will find even more that I can't tell you beyond what is already on public record. The dangerous potential of the big picture in motion may have side effects such as regions of Nuclear reactors going into meltdowns. Limited nuclear war in the Pakistan area. This is all very interconnected and I can not leave here with out a final warning report.

    Otherwise I suppose we should just focus on Happy holidays and the cheers I do wish for each of you. Sometimes there is a gift in being prepared to survive an exact situation rather than random threats.

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  8. a US Navy ship just off the coast of San Francisco used a giant hose to spray a cloud of microbes into the air and into the city’s famous fog. The military was testing how a biological weapon attack would affect the 800,000 residents of the city.

    The people of San Francisco had no idea.

    The Navy continued the tests for seven days, potentially causing at least one death. It was one of the first large-scale biological weapon trials that would be conducted under a “germ warfare testing program” that went on for 20 years, from 1949 to 1969. The goal “was to deter [the use of biological weapons] against the United States and its allies and to retaliate if deterrence failed,” the government explained later. “Fundamental to the development of a deterrent strategy was the need for a thorough study and analysis of our vulnerability to overt and covert attack.”

    Of the 239 known tests in that program, San Francisco was notable for two reasons, according to Dr. Leonard Cole, who documented the episode.

    New Bio-war tests are now in progress at Dugway Proving grounds in UTAH and at El Torro San Diego & Vandenberg Ca.

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    1. Mark,

      Your two posts show a nightmare reality. Thanks for making us see it better. A lot of our problem, IMO, is that we don't see what is happening around us, as much through a hypnotic trance of normalcy bias as through fascistic top down, totalitarian control. We have you to thank for better understanding the latter. Don't know if I can blame people for throwing up their hands and waiting for the end.

      OTOH, I like the notion of working the hypnotic trance of normalcy bias. This belongs much less to Caesar. But we are being submerged by every human-science and technological evil. The avenues for escape, if they ever really were there, seem to be closing in. But even so, and so confusingly, the entire edifice of Babylon is melting. I know I sound like a broken record, but it seems best to get on with building that safety net for when the edifice loses shape and dissolves like the WTCs. We need food and water. Shelter is easier; it can be made from paper and cardboard.

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  9. Artleads - Thanks for listening. Before this was in the news I was trying to describe to Satish and on NBL how our Dept research was altered prior to the Paris attacks Fri Nov 13th The House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology has sent letters and subpoenas to NOAA, requesting "all documents and communications" related to Karl’s paper in Science. NOAA Administrator Kathryn D. Sullivan, Under Secretary of Commerce for Oceans and Atmosphere, sent a letter to Smith on 20 November, noting that "NOAA has made a concerted and significant effort to answer the Committee’s questions and provide relevant and responsive information." The committee has nonetheless threatened "the use of a compulsory process" if NOAA does not surrender additional records, including e-mails among individual scientists & support staff.

    Needlessly intrusive Congressional inquiries can inhibit scientific discovery, particularly if scientists are threatened with legal action. "Science cannot thrive when policymakers — regardless of party affiliation — use policy disagreements as a pretext to attack scientific conclusions without public evidence," the coalition’s letter said. "We are concerned that establishing a practice of inquests directed at federal scientists whose findings may bear on policy in ways that some find unpalatable could well have a chilling effect on the willingness of government scientists to conduct research that intersects with policy-relevant scientific questions." The group noted further that "NOAA’s National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI) manages one of the world’s most significant archives of oceanic, atmospheric, and geophysical data." Independent assessment of scientific results is of course a crucial part of the scientific process, and the coalition encouraged the House committee to use other established mechanisms for assessing technical information, such as advisory reports of the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine.
    AAAS has protested other cases of scientists being targeted for seemingly ideological reasons. In 2011, for example, the AAAS Board of Directors expressed deep concern over reports of personal attacks on climate scientists. In 2010, the AAAS Board also decried the Virginia Attorney General’s investigation of climate researcher Michael Mann.
    Committee on Science, Space, and Technology 2321 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, DC 20515
    The integrity of federal scientists’ research published in the journal Science is being questioned despite a lack of public evidence of scientific misconduct. The progress and integrity of science depend on transparency about the details of scientific methodology and the ability to follow the pursuit of scientific knowledge. The data and methodology of the paper in question have been publicly shared and discussed directly with the committee staff. While we recognize the oversight responsibility of Congress with respect to the work of government scientists, the committee has continued to suggest that the updates that NOAA scientists made to its dataset constitute scientific misconduct.

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    1. Hi Mark,

      Does this affect your safety/nuclear work? I wouldn't envy anyone whom this affected personally. It touches on what I said about avenues of escape closing in.

      When I see craziness like this, I stop and detach. That is a cleaner and strategic response, I think. But I also don't think there will be a lot of time to deploy that strategy. Many people on NBL believe that naked, blatant fascism is near at hand. But it's possible that if we detach while there is still a little bit of social conscience left, the crazies' bluff can be called. They expect you to engage with them in their game in which they tire you out, run you in circles, while they sit back and save their energy. It doesn't work for me, and I no longer play that game. I just play back the tape for them, and that is perhaps sufficient to disarm them. But fighting them for every millimeter of progress strikes me as a fool's errand. And that's what they want us to do.

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  10. ARTLEADS - very good point about conserving energy. As you know I can't get much more removed than retiring next Fri. Some of what I'm sharing is helping me convince myself that I made the right decision. Reminding myself that things are crazier now than 14 years ago. Telling myself a "story" that time is limited due to the dangers I perceive. On the other hand, hindsight will be in 2020 when nothing major has happened. I will look like chicken little...ha! But that's okay. Here on KuKu I have a record of the things I did report in advance before they were MSM.

    Next week I will know no more. Last minute mixed feelings about having so much information inside the system, but I can't really report most of it anyway....Maybe I will be less restricted to say more from Fla or Costa Rica...but then I lose the credibility of being an actual insider. Humans were just as crazy before the past World Wars. Only difference now is much higher levels of technology involved. Like the on-going progress drilling all the way through the crust of the Earth. The Methane consuming microbes they hope to extract from the mantel layer might help reduce atmospheric Methane once the microbes are genetically enhanced. Yet wouldn't it make more sense to reduce fracking & agriculture methane sources first? Sort of like insisting on a cure for cancer but refusing to stop smoking 3 packs a day. up, up & away....

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    1. Drilling through the earth yet! To fight effectively, one must first be quiet and calm (I should know, right? :-)) Do as I say...

      As to the chicken little thing, here's why we're not chicken littles: 200 species dying every day. This is not about the future. It's more about the past and present. It's more about correcting a course already proven to be deadly. Otherwise, we get a world with no large animals (and I bet they'd say then that there never were those large animals--just an elaborate hoax and rendered skeletons...like photos of men on the moon). But I digress. We get a world of rats and pigeons, and not much else beside livestock. But maybe not even livestock, for disease and useless antibiotics might remove them too.

      Another thing to consider from the past: over the past 40 years, half of global wild animals have disappeared while human population has doubled. That has ALREADY happened. All we're trying to do now is stop it from continuing to happen, or happen at an evr escalating rate!. Climate change (CC) does add steam to the argument for change, but most certainly is not the main point right now; we're not entirely sure what results from all that geoengineering (or dumb luck) that could make us look like chicken littles, were CC our only issue.. The crux of the matter is what's happening now, what has happened to species and the wild ALREADY. So it really is about the land...

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  11. I just emailed our Board of County Commissioners (BCC) and two state senators, asking them to support a community-wide roof water catchment and storage retrofit in my community. That does not directly affect nuclear waste issues, but it doesn't harm them either. And it is a means toward greater resilience in any given place. I imagine that it will galvanize community solidarity as well, since the project would be for everyone alike. I also suspect that communities surrounding nuclear sites (and which should feel a sense of "ownership'" anyway) would benefit from a similar rainwater (roof water) catchment program. That takes pressure off other water that can be used for the nuclear sites, and it's very straightforward to enact. With government backing, many foundations (Gates?, Zuck?) will undoubtedly step up to help buy water tanks and pay to install them. What's your thought?.

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    1. An extensive rain-catchment system is now in the works in California. Arizona & Colorado have plans too. Many Western USA states have community planners who do have Grey water & rain recycle tank diagrams on their web-sites. Great work you are doing. ART LEADS

      During my next six months at Scripps, Max Planck research institute in Jupiter Fla I will stay closely connected to oversight involving the Port St. Lucie nuclear plant. Upon retirement from DoE next week I will no longer be involved on a National scale, but I think a rain catchment system for Fort Pierce substructures & cooling should be introduced when I get to work in Fl. Thanks!!

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    2. "I think a rain catchment system for Fort Pierce substructures & cooling should be introduced when I get to work in Fl."

      A solid and constructive plan. :-)

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    3. Green Benefit District in San Francisco. First of its kind in the nation.
      I didn't stick it out to see how rain catchment applied, but the person (on the Board) who sent the link is a big rain catchment proponent/doer/expert.

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