Thursday, May 21, 2015

The Story of Man


  1. Thanks Satish. It was convoluted, and would have been beyond me a year ago, but I managed to connect through Google and through applying things I've sort of picked up through osmosis. :-) Well, so far so good anyway.

  2. A Silicon Valley invention:

    1. The largest homeless camp in the country? Yes, most definitely a Silicon Valley innovation. You see, we're good at more than one thing down here. What we're not so good at is talk about it. We'd much prefer to talk about the latest Tesla model.

    2. I'd like to see if this principle (re homelessness) could apply to land. Free it from it's financial obligations to "pay" somebody through being paved over, and see how that costs less even within our current economic system?

  3. Posted on NBL also:

    For those of you who have visited Nigeria, this might be of interest. See the the blissful (or is maniacal and ecocidal) future at 4:40 minutes. The Chinese are funding a Dubai-style obscenity to take the place of the 200-year-old Makoko fishing community. The governor who is behind the proceeding demolitions of Makoko says that Makoko wasn't designed for...what? Growth is mentioned. I'm listening hard to what he's saying, but his reasoning escapes me. Although Makoko has been going for 200 years, it apparently erred by not having the prescience to know that it was supposed to conform to a kind of land use brought on by the excesses of the oil economy. Never mind that it is sustainable and elegant and that its residents look healthy, or that the oil economy it precedes is very stressed. I'm sure the wise rulers of Lagos know exactly what they're doing. (Sarcasm intended.)

  4. Forgot the link:

    1. Hi Artleads,

      This is how the human cancer spreads. The governor of Lagos doesn't think of himself as one of those particularly virulent strains of human cancer cells! But that's what he is. We all are, in a way, of course. Not singling out any one human being here, but pointing to the trend. The Chinese who were one of the ancient civilizations (read cancer) were surpassed by the Europeans in the past few hundred years but they are back and are going about infecting whole swaths of Africa, South America and elsewhere. The fishing village was a more or less sustainable organ on the body of the planet but they are being forcibly infected by civilization's forward ranks. Dubai, Singapore, etc. are recent cancer clusters. Just a few decades old or younger.

      What the governor is saying is the village needs to give way to the spread of cancer. Of course, he calls it development and progress. Seen this way, his statements make sense, don't they?

    2. Thanks so much for this insight, Satish. It's comforting to have someone to talk to about this part of the world.

  5. Still on Africa, this is the kind of writing that I feel requires refutation. These authors are taken seriously, and live in a parallel universe where their view of the world is widely affirmed. Turning on its head the beauty and mystery of Africa--the megafauna(?), the culture--for this straight-jacket set of values disturbs far too few. And the perplexing thing is that the latter seems indispensable for raising the level of education that could make awareness of the former possible.

  6. Makoko, Nigeria, what a shame! A sad video among hundreds just like it.

    Do u live in Africa, Artleads?

  7. NM. Thanks a lot for watching. Yes. It's the same all over. I don't think that tacking one at a time is all that helpful. (Although there might be issues that are more strategic than others?)

  8. Economics of Housing in San Francisco

    The author says little or nothing about the environmental effects of new development, or of the sense-of-place issues either. And it was the absence of those issue that usually set me at odds with the affordable housing advocates (with whom I shared much else).

    The author makes valid points based on affordability and the real economic system. It's as if he might have the WHAT covered, while leaving out the HOW.

  9. Hi Mark,

    In case you ever take a peek here, this is for you:

    Stefeun says:
    June 25, 2015 at 3:29 am

    I agree with most of what you say, but unfortunately the end of cheap energy is not our only problem.
    Even if we happened to find a substitute for conventional oil or other new high EROI energy source (which won’t happen), we’d have to face other limits, such as:
    – overpopulation
    – soil depletion
    – depletion of mineral ores
    – increasing levels of pollution (all kinds, some unsustainable)
    – global warming (disturbed climate, sea rise, ocean acidification, …)
    – loss of biodiversity
    – race against pathogen microbes
    – …? (sure I’m missing some other ones)

    Many of these limits are interlinked, which mean we’d have to fix all problems at once. Of course, that is impossibe, even with a new energy source (which, due to entropy generation, would likely worsen some problems while trying to fix other parts), not to mention that some of the above mentioned parameters are no longer under our control, as we have probably triggered feedback loops with unknown effects and consequences on the whole system.
    We’re not Masters of the Universe, just playing God and burning down the house.

    Artleads says:
    June 25, 2015 at 11:31 am

    Yes. Climate change and nuclear apocalypse (not necessarily caused by war) seem, especially, to be beyond remedy. But I think most of the other parts of the system could be addressed through radical change of behavior, including the wise rationing of remaining fossil fuels. So I see it as a need to correct all the sub systems that are amenable to correction, and then try, against all rationality, to address the top two.

    Climate Change:

    – Plant so many trees that you can’t see the ground from a plane.
    – Radically ration the amount of GHG that can be released.

    Nuclear Catastrophe:

    – Focus as much or more on radical planning for eternal maintenance as on decommissioning nuclear plants. Maintenance might well be within the realm of affordability and time constraints.

    – If possible, decouple nuclear power from other parts of the grid, so as to contain and limit its harmful potential.

    – Apply nuclear energy to work which can be done in the vicinity of plants, and whose stoppage won’t bring down the rest of the system.

    I also agree that it’s the whole system in its entirety, and not discreet parts of it, that needs to change.

  10. Hi ARTLEADS, I think of you very often as I look at the land in different parts of the USA this year. I even use my own sketch pad to draw versions of things you have described. I really love the images of small natural settlements completely immersed in the woods. Bamboo. roof gardens.

    Too bad so many harsh cement building in D.C. are not at least covered in Ivy. Would be nice to have a planet with only a few small groups of nice people. Maybe one city with a million max. I wonder if planets can reincarnate?

    In hash reality it is great to connect with the good people to help me move forward with Nuclear safety. Luckily I love almost everything (even the struggles) because all of life is amazing to witness & experience during this time in history. I'm often horrified by the bad stuff --- yet I guess I'm fortunate to be alive at all with eyes & ears.

    I'm now living on my boat in a Potomac Marina. I look funny compared to all the sleek yachts because my sail boat is equipped for serious survival gear. Solar panels. EPA logo. Small pots of organic herbs on the rails. Jim and I will probably sail off into the blue yonder this fall. As deeply as i care about the animals and seas I have some inside data that goes deeper than even Dr. McPherson reports. Sadly I must accept that if/when there is a problem it will still include hundreds of nuclear plants. I might make a team effort getting a few plants decomissioned, however 2 more were just approved to be built in TN. Also China is building cheap reactors all over Africa, etc.... So i'm coming to terms with the fact that all the very long term nuclear waste dangers are beyond my little grasp.

    Still I adore the wonders of Earth, including the best visions of science & medial arts. Google terraforming Mars. Epigenetics so many things humans could do if only they were above greed & destruction.

    I'll be off to the West Coast for most of July. Then spending much of August in Boston on a Harvard - MIT project. Might as well enjoy the most amazing things life has to offer. From swimming with dolphins to swarming nano cyber space. Life has been an adventure !!! Each of you has been a rich part of my own soul evolution. No matter what happens at some infinite junction way down in an electron I'm hanging out with MO FLOW in by a Mount Shasta stream....the story of life is mostly a collection of a billion old tales. A learning experience in every language including the language of silence. Physics & fractals. Satish Musunuru was a most special guru of the brief Internet golden age. Satish wrote with talent & spirit like no one ever since on NBL. A kuku tribe. A wise vibe. An old growth forest with Sabine's magic ferns growing forever green in a memory ageless beyond time.

    1. "I wonder if planets can reincarnate?"

      Robin Datta posted a link to a Tom Campbell lecture on multiple (parallel) universes. If I can find it, it might have something to say about reincarnation in general. But that's a great question, Mark.

      I share your wish for calm, peaceful living hubs, for calming things down in general, but I'm not anti large cities either. A book on cities is coming out soon. Scroll down to the left to read the first chapter.

      One more of my unrealistic thoughts from

      "From trying to follow Gail’s (Tverberg) reasoning, I’m wondering as to the feasibility (in theory) of decoupling nuclear energy from the grid, and using it to make liquid fuel from coal. The coal power could also be a resource for decommissioning nuclear plants in the very most rosy of scenarios…"

      I love the image of your boat! I'm all for that boat. :-)

    2. Hope you are well, Satish. What you had to say about spirit was/is of profound importance for me. :-)

    3. “No matter what happens at some infinite junction way down in an electron...”

      Thank you Mark.

      Ahah! For a long time now, I've thought about infinity in reverse in opposition to space! It seemed to me that if you could miniaturize yourself then u could land on an electron and then proceed further down to the planet that it is, and down and down and down to who knows what...another electron?. This proves infinite 'Universes”!!!!!

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  11. “No matter what happens at some infinite junction way down in an electron...”

    Thank you Mark.

    Ahah! For a long time now, I've thought about infinity in reverse in opposition to space! It seemed to me that if you could miniaturize yourself then u could land on an electron and then proceed further down to the planet that it is, and down and down and down to who knows what...another electron?. This proves infinite 'Universes”!!!!!

  12. Thank You Shep. It's really amazing when you get to look into an actual electron microscope. 2nd best electron microscope is now in the brand new building (Max Planck Institute) at Scripps Jupiter Lab.

    2 years ago I was up at the Mona Loa observatory where the atmospheric carbon is measred. Amazing how deep outter space looks like the universe contained deep inside electrons.

    Also scientists explained how looking inside the carbon molecules had correlation to looking out into the haze of our galaxy which also has been increasing with space dust (a belt of milky way particles.)

    As above so below??? So much to see. So many places for evolving spirits to go.

    ARTLEADS - fun picture today on Yahoo of a cabin added to the top of an old brick NYC apt building. Nice little lawn, flower field...everything country then you zoom out to see it is a new concept for rooftop country living cottages.

    I will go study the nuclear plants as coal transformers very soon. What a concept? Very curious how that works. Thanks.

    EARTH SHIP indoor garden houses in New Mexico on you tube. Love those. I suppose any Earth like planet could sustain a few green cities. I agree 100% about caring for land. A society that was concerned about responsibly *safe care* rather than expansion would be all about occasionally making building changes yet always staying inside urban & village limits. I'm so sad by any sort of sprawl. I've been to tiny Atomic City in Idaho. I hope the nuclear - high tech industry does not return to that mostly empty land area. Rainy Sunday in D.C. - thanking nature for washing my decks !!!

    1. Mark,

      I do not see how you can go to work and not wretch your heart out. You must. It is a shame what we all have to put up with.:



  14. Then there is this. But planting the seed for what is possible is OK with me.

  15. Not for me. Neither villages, towns nor cities. Nowheresville, AFAICS. And what a ghastly way to kill a fish. (I'm sure there's no nice way.) Uncivilized people.

  16. "Uncivilized people."

    WHAT was I saying? Better to have said, people I neither understand nor am drawn to.

  17. What is missing from the Earth Ship (ES) folks is culture. Culture, I believe, has to do with historic patterns of sorts. Do wild animals and plants have a sort of culture? If so, human culture would require they be respected. How does the ES land relate to earlier native settlers? What animals and peoples roamed those lands before? Yes, If I could get truckloads of free car tires, I'd probably insulate my house with them too. But meanwhile in the back of my mind, I'd find the process distasteful.

    1. The lack of culture also hobbles permaculture. Below, is some of what I posted in another blog, and a note or two on culture:

      "Here’s one example of how technology TODAY can make some kind of difference. But it’s very much not my thing. Except insofar as it shows that you can improve soil and grow food in an industrial space.

      Now, with the same kind of sophisticated engineering knowledge brought down to third world standards with next to zero BAU dependency, we might be approaching something I could get behind. It requires a far better understanding of culture too.

      If new technology can *quickly* get us to where old technology can take over, then work itself out of a job, I’d support that. :-)"

      I've been bothered by permaculture, but only recently have come to some idea as to why. Despite its brilliance, it is an uncritically "progressivist" (word) European program. It leaves out the cultural stories of the place. Its supposed neutrality to story is itself a story. In that sense, it shares some of the sins of European colonialist ideology that has taken over and spread havoc throughout the world.

    2. Beeeeeeerrrrrry interesting.

    3. Thanks, Shep. Not too many people from the West can "go there."

  18. Responding to the writer with the quotes (on

    Artleads says:

    July 1, 2015 at 2:28 pm

    “You are tarring with a very broad brush. You might want to check your facts, first.”

    I agree. My ignorance is astounding. But the point is to see the intention behind the stumbling mess I’m making. Nothing is working, and the smart money says nothing CAN work given the hole we’re in. A related problem of the Western mindset is the requirement for the individual to get it right all by themself. I’m saying it’s more appropriate to see this as a group effort. So you are very informed and I’m the opposite, though very intuitive. Neither of us will get anywhere alone. And unlikely as it is that we’d do better collaborating, the chances of success are marginally better there.

    “Bill Mollison, who founded Permaculture along with his student David Holmgren, had spent an awful lot of time studying how aborigines and other ‘primitie’ people did things. He also studied how Nature worked.”

    Yes. I vaguely remember reading that decades ago. But since the time of their study, the planet has become exponentially more damaged. They are part of the European hegemonic system. They bewail the ecological ignorance of a subsection of of that hegemonic system, while not (to any significant degree that I can see) delving into the social, political and psychological underpinnings of the system. To do that, they would have to be revolutionaries, and that would bring them into sharp opposition with BAU. ,

    “Yes, his methods were ‘scientific’. If you reject the scientific method, then I suppose you have no more interest in what Bill Mollison and David Holmgren found as a result of their research.”

    Apart from it being mildly insulting to suggest that I reject science :-), I’m surprised that you think this is my point. What I see instead as scientifically well founded is the massive decline in the environment since (and despite the founders’ efforts) my becoming aware of permaculture 30 years ago. Maybe society doesn’t work the way they see it. You can’t just teach people to be better stewards of the land, apparently. You have to integrate said stewardship within a system that honors the psychological trauma of the global south that has, for instance, turned China and India into leading monsters of environmental destruction within those identical 30 years. Maybe that takes social and political science too. And even softer sciences like cultural anthropology. None of this is clear. The West has done a hatchet job on the minds and lands of the global south. I don’t see permaculture doing anything to counter that.

    “…the difference between the stories the ancient Greeks made up to explain the movements of the heavenly bodies, and the stories we now believe as a result of many years of hard cosmological data and research.

    I don’t recommend any fundamentalist position. But you have to make up your own mind.”

    I’m not sure where the fundamentalist position lies. But I’m only interested in not doing all that was unsuccessfully tried before, while hoping for a different outcome this time.
    Artleads says:
    July 1, 2015 at 9:57 am

    IMO, the third world is new global standard. Western science and technology must fill in the gaps, not lead the way. This is apparently a very difficult concept for westerners to grasp.

    James says:
    July 1, 2015 at 10:11 am

    Nearly impossible. Technology is the very air we breath here in the west.

  19. For Mark :-) (copied from OFW blog)

    Using Fuel Additives for long term fuel storage

    Gas loses its potency over time and this also applies to Diesel and Kerosene. Diesel for example if stored at lower than 70 degrees will last about 12 months without any additives provided it is kept in a sealed container. If your temperatures are much above 70 that time slips by 50% to 6 months. According to BP,

    As diesel gets older a fine sediment and gum forms in the diesel brought about by the reaction of diesel components with oxygen from the air. The fine sediment and gum will block fuel filters, leading to fuel starvation and the engine stopping. Frequent filter changes are then required to keep the engine going. The gums and sediments do not burn in the engine very well and can lead to carbon and soot deposits on injectors and other combustion surfaces.

    Now, what can we do to prevent issues like this and protect our fuel because you don’t want to be trying to outrun the mutant zombie bikers from Mars and have your engine stop? Additives. There are two main additives that I have run across, STA-BIL and PRI-G. PRI has several lines of additives and the –G stands for gasoline. They also have PRI-D for diesel. PRI additives are designed to be added to your fuel on a yearly basis to maintain the fuel in the best condition possible and they even claim that if your fuel has aged already, just adding PRI-G has proven to restore the fuel to “refinery-fresh conditions”. I would rather not test that out but PRI-G does have a decent reputation.

    STA-BIL is one that I have personally used and does pretty much the same thing as PRI-G in terms of conditioning your fuel to last a lot longer in storage than it would without treatment. The instructions are simple, just dump the required amount in with your fuel and Voila!

    You should be able to safe storing fuel for at least a year with no adverse affects. I pour in the additive first and then the gas so that it is mixed as thoroughly as possible.

    Seems I am wrong — the spent fuel ponds won’t blow up immediately — you get a year…. but of course you will be dead of starvation well before this happens so heh — why fret.

  20. Hi Artleads, Thanks. I did know about diesel sludge because it is also a problem for most boat owners. A large supply of STA-BiL has been on order for all nuclear plant back up generators since 2011. But in the case of Pandemic or other large scale deadly event we still need human care for the plants. Funny but it still comes down to human care. Generators need operators. Big oversight remains on what, who & which engineers will be able and willing to work/care during the worst pending scenarios.

    I'm off to Alaska tomorrow so I will check in on NBL when I return. Talking to Dr. Mc Pherson in private to arrange a Washington D.C. meeting date this fall. All my very best to SHEP & Satish.

  21. Thanks, Mark, for the wonder of your work. Have a good trip. You the man, babe. :-)

    I agree about human behavior. I've said elsewhere (as I gradually learn) that the low hanging fruit of fossil fuel energy is depleted. But the low hanging fruit of behavior change has not even been touched.

  22. This doesn't seem to fit on NBL. It's reposted from

    In quotes are what the blog host, Gail Tverberg wrote:

    Artleads says:
    July 15, 2015 at 12:02 am
    “3) The tendency of the population to grow, so that the number of would-be farmers overwhelm the amount of farm land. Increasing amounts of supplemental energy are needed so that (a) the land can produce more food, and (b) those not working directly on the land can have reasonable jobs.”

    This (extremely long) article pushed me over the edge. In an indirect way, it reinforces Guy McPherson’s thesis that “were done.” It seems to be consistent with my own theory that Western civilization “is done.” In fact, terminal civilizational crises seem to be mutually reinforcing.

    I should be a doomer, but I’m not. I’ve learned to detach myself from expectations. With a poor understanding of both science and the oil economy, I must rely on a hitherto very reliable intuition. But even with good intuition, I now can only see what’s in front of my face.

    But I’ll try this. Western civilization–and with it, much that we consider as civilization–is over. That it does not appear to most of us as over is the manifestation of a sort of “after image,” a delusional trance from which most have not been awakened. With the demise (or requirement for transformation) of civilization comes the demise of patriarchy. This is just for those who have eyes to see.

    “The tendency of the population to grow”

    assumes that women will be kept in abject subjugation forever. It rules out the possibility of harsh measures like infanticide (and would that be of females or males?) It rules out the possibility of self-interest-based altruism. If basic needs are universally met, poor women won’t have children to ensure survival in old age. Yes, you could go on fiddling around with this delusional system which apparently benefits most of us here. Yes, it’s a wonderful system for creating food, comfort and security…if you’re lucky, but the long term costs are unacceptable, and its future is foreclosed. Beside, the benefits of, and potential for, living in alternative ways are not considered (assuming, I suppose, that such dramatic transformation is impossible).

    “…so that the number of would-be farmers overwhelm the amount of farm land.”

    This supposes that farming must be done on land in a presumed “normal” way, although it should be clear that farming can be done in greenhouses, on rooftops, and all sorts of irregular places, cities included. Farming can also be “biointensive,” using new understanding to grow more food in much smaller spaces. In that scenario, there is no such thing as “farm land.” Farm land is partly an after image like everything else about civilization. Even if outlying rural land were used to produce food for people, it couldn’t depend on chemical inputs and industrial practices in the way it does now. It couldn’t use water or disadvantage wildlife the way it does now. “Supplemental energy” is not indispensable for growing food.

    A “job,” is the product of “economics,” which the article I posted analyzes and debunks. Guy McPherson advocates a gift economy, and I have yet to see a more realistic economic system. A “job” is also an after image. It is not based on anything real, natural, ethical or beautiful. It is a sick attribute of civilization, which belongs in the past, despite its ghostly continuation.

    But I also realize that it is this lingering ghost of civilization that keeps me alive and happy…and that I have no alternative to it. Anything that could be done to make for a living world would require utopian transformation. Reversing climate change; reversing deforestation; (possibly) reversing population overshoot; reversing ocean acidification; ensuring meeting survival needs of all; safely managing nuclear facilities…

    So unless one IS pursuing utopian transformation, I don’t know what we think we would be doing.

  23. Satish,

    Thanks for leaving this space open for those posts that don't fit elsewhere (and that has the special grace to accommodate so much that is not cut and dried). But most of all, I miss you and very much hope you are well.

    1. I told you so, Satish. You are the extreme gentle man. Thank you.

  24. Mark (in case you read this)

    Here's something I shared with Satish:

    "I see America pulling off the magic trick of disappearing. Like a brushstroke in a great painting, it makes the surrounding imagery work without calling attention to itself. From being the dead opposite, it becomes the epitome of 'do-nothing-ness.' So it has no bullet trains, and all its systems are archaic. Still, they (its archaic systems) are so elegantly integrated that they do without doing."

    This is only for those with ears to hear. What the Africans are telling Mr. Obama is that America needs a vision of the world. I heard a Chinese citizen say the same thing. I'm proposing that it needs to find a path of least resistance. Maybe it's something like quietly, unobtrusively coordinating the forces and momenta already in play globally. And nuclear safety seems a perfect way to begin with that mission.

    Assuming that there is neither money nor political will to do anything much, I repeat that we might focus on behavior instead. In fact, I almost think that money is something of a detriment. People must do things because it makes immaculate sense to them. They see the pattern in it. In some way, it represents their deepest aspirations. Safety for themselves, their families, their communities. It's a matter of appealing to pragmatism and common sense as well. With all nuclear facilities, there must be unimaginable diligence and love in management. Something like a religious mission... You being a systematic person, maybe there's a glimmer of appreciation for what I'm trying to say?

  25. Isn't nuclear-facility security largely a land use issue? All nuclear facilities fit into one state or another, and must be governed by that state's land use regulations. The same can probably said for counties.

    I can see how counties might include their nuclear facility into their General Plan. General Plans comprise elements--like a conservation element, a safety element, a noise element and so on. I can't imagine them not having a nuclear-facility element either, where that would apply. Since all the elements of a general plan should be integrated while also separate, nuclear-facilities would be integrated with other elements as well. A nuclear-facility element would provide room for specific, coordinated safety measures for the local community and beyond. And it certainly ought to spur the sort of coordinated regional planning that is all too often absent.

  26. Hi ARTLEADS - I really appreciate your work on this subject. I will carefully review everything you posted before I say more. Your good insights need deeper thought on my part.

    Very glad you are communicating with SATISH. He is very wise & thoughtful. Looking forward to what ever he may add to his web site.
    NBL is lacking talent now that MO FLOW & MIKE K. are gone. I wonder if Lidia is paid by Koch industries to point out every reason nobody should dare lift a finger against the Nuclear industry. She is such an advocate for them being too big & powerful to fight.

    I will be at MIT in Boston this August then up to the Vermont Yankee nuclear power plant decommissioning till early Sept. Also working on hosting Guy in D.C. this November before I take an early retirement to sail away with Jim and enjoy islands on Earth that are still beautiful.

    Maybe MO FLOW or Satish will be interested in this N. California meeting I wish I could attend:

    On Friday, August 14th, 2015 a gathering has been scheduled at the David Marr Auditorium In Redding, California (seating for over 1000) to present indisputable evidence to the public on the ongoing covert catastrophic climate engineering/geoengineering programs. This is a FREE public education event, there is no admission fee. Numerous experts including former government biologists and defense industry personnel will present data to conclusively prove that the ongoing climate engineering programs are:

    Contributing to global ecosystem and species die-off
    Completely disrupting the hydrological cycle (rain cycle) all over the planet
    Destroying the ozone layer which is causing off the chart levels of UV radiation
    Contaminating our air, soils, and waters with highly toxic heavy metals
    Causing extreme and unquantifiable environmental and human health impacts
    Are being carried out illegally under the guise of "national security"

  27. "Contributing to global ecosystem and species die-off
    Completely disrupting the hydrological cycle (rain cycle) all over the planet
    Destroying the ozone layer which is causing off the chart levels of UV radiation
    Contaminating our air, soils, and waters with highly toxic heavy metals
    Causing extreme and unquantifiable environmental and human health impacts
    Are being carried out illegally under the guise of "national security"

    Hi Mark,

    I can only humbly thank you for taking on such a viperous bunch. That requires a fighting spirit, which you have far more than I.

    At the same time, I find comfort in the concept that, in some cases at least, it makes sense to focus on what we want, instead of what we don't. So maybe your fight is with these high lever lunatics. My fight is with land use.

    I'm just getting home from a county commissioners meeting, where I sat in one place for 9 hours, and spoke on two issues. I can't imagine how I managed to pull it off. Fortunately, I didn't break out crying, but my second presentation was beyond emotional. I get that way when I mention the 50% of wild animals gone in the last 40 years, along with the 50% increase in human population. Somehow, it seemed to "work." The few people who stuck it out that long gave me nice smiles. Even the chair of the commission (a hard nosed rancher type) seemed touched, seemed to open up.

    But I'm simultaneously fatalistic. I can't stop those CERN people from boring a hole to the other side of the world, or whatever it is they're trying to do. It's just that I think land use is more powerful--like saying good is more powerful than evil. One understands it or one doesn't. If the lunatics win, so be it. But based on everything I "know," I can't see how they can. Land use is God's way, and God does not fail. My ONLY job (AFAICS) is to show up and speak my piece, as was done tonight. "Man" proposes; God disposes. Anxiety or worry are inappropriate.

    Sorry, Mark, for all the religious stuff, but it's the best that I can do. :-)

    Thanks again, for being there. I don't think there's anyone in the world better positioned to make a difference than you. But that's just me, frequently sideswiped by my own fantasies. And frequently pretty much on the money. Anyway, I hope it matters that I think you can "do" anything. :-)

  28. "State mandated local planning. Every county and city must adopt a general plan with seven mandatory elements: land use, circulation, housing, conservation, open space, noise, and safety.

    Depending on the community’s location, general plans must also contain special topics, including local coastal plans, waste management, hazardous waste, seismic hazards, floodplain management, and airport land use. Local officials can also adopt optional elements for topics that are important to their communities. The Planning and Zoning Law spells out the procedural requirements for public notices, hearings, amendments, and appeals. Unlike other states, California provides no direct and little indirect help to local planners."

  29. As of now, I don't believe in Lifeboats. IMO, we live in a global system, which must stand or fall on global thinking. To me, global thinking means inclusiveness--we're all in it together, one for all and all for one.

    What approach would I recommend for such a scenario? I would recommend a revolution in land use thinking, tentatively looking into the concept of 'form based planning.' (This may tie in with the thinking of ______ Bejan too.)

    It appears that form based planning focuses on deliberate and specific flows of form-functions, while conventional planning allows form to happen by default, based on those 'blind' memes of civilization which JMG discusses. Blind faith is put in these memes, despite their increasingly obvious destructive results.

    If we don't focus on the physical forms of our civilized world, we can't manage the flow or adequate supply of resources. We can't assure that gray water gets to gardens, that people can walk safely, that food trees and wood trees are planted, that passive solar is employed, and so forth.

    I don't think JMG has dealt adequately with nuclear threat. A universal dark age (that is not nuanced and planned in its specifics) will ensure that 400+ nuclear plants explode. Some form of complex life might survive this, but I fail to see how. I would propose here that most of civilization becomes disconnected from the nuclear energy it uses, and that nuclear issues be confined to the periphery of nuclear plants. Maybe using nuclear energy to leverage other safer forms and better-to-distribute energy is possible. I don't know. Most of all, a nuclear-fringe civilization would have to be perpetuated, even if everywhere else reverted to hunter gathering. The nuclear fringe civilization would have to perpetuate the means to be educated about and manage the safety of nuclear plants for as long as it's possible to think that humans will survive. This will be essential to any life surviving on the planet, IMO.

  30. ARTLEADS - God bless you. Shiva 2.

    Yes It is all about land use. A small population caring for the land with reverence. And maybe one tiny town like Atomic city in Idaho where the nuclear energy mistake continues to exist.

    Thank you for sharing your personal emotions about the meeting. You bring me to tears thinking of past experiences trying to bring common sense to land use issues.

    Protecting land from radiation goes back to my mother fighting against the above ground tests in Nevada. Isotopes effected babies in Arizona & New Mexico.

    Maybe some miracle will save the land from the dangers of future radiation. Get radioactive waste safely off the landscape. Focus on clean watersheds, stopping all sprawl, reduce ranching. EDUCATION to treat mother earth with love.

    For now the best I've managed is Faraday Cages around the back-uo generators. The tax incentive idea you inspired are being revised and re-submitted. Work in progress. Propane & Diesel storage for "emergency use only" in radius of reactors.

    Flying McPherson to D.C. this November is part of your inspiration to improve N.R.C. community outreach. Hosting a lecture by Guy might get the more dire points across & raise awareness about safety and emergency response in areas near nuclear plants.

    Jim is insistent on retirement from the FBI this fall. We both want to sail away from the capitol because it is ground zero for all sorts of potential attacks. The Jefferson Memorial & Tidal Basin have already sunk 6 inches due to sea level rise. The walkway with the famous Cherry trees ofter gets swamped on a regular basis during extra high tides. Old Japanese Cherry trees never suffered from salt water intrusion before.

    Anything I can do to help you with your local land issues? I'm sorry that I'm not going to stay in D.C. to work on "Nuclear Zero" beyond 2016. It was inspiring in 2008 when Obama promised my team "Nuclear Zero" but my only progress in 8 years was in minor safety developments & decommission of the Zion plant. Once I have sailed far away from D.C. maybe I will look back on this experience with clearer perspective. Possibly a young person with better political skills will make great progress during the next administration. I'm too old fashioned in my ideas of kicking the nuclear habit. Cold turkey on the Turkey point plant. LOL...for now it's all about designing radiation eating microbes and nano coating materials that might have side effects scare me. Applied Molecular Evolution bio-genetic process is complex and possibly corrupt when you look at it from a purely contract business level. I can't disclose any more.

    In a new revised future I'm okay with a tiny amount of oil extraction for manufacturing solar panels. Photovolectric sidewalks & streets in Europe are working. All glass windows can be coated to produce solar energy. So sensible to copy the photosynthesis process. Leave 99% of land in a natural condition. Use only wind power for sailing the seas. Simply back to basics.

    Most wild animals are shy and cautious for good survival reasons. Everything about this media era, conferences & commerce is probably unsustainable for many more decades. The Earth will recover but all the radiation that can't be maintained without expert care is going to have a hell of an effect on evolution.

    In spirit I will remember the firehouse table you described. Also that day you spent with your wife at the car wash. Such good energy & insights. Whatever we learned here must flow somewhere. A love of the land will remain. All my very best.

  31. Such nice comments, Mark. Of course the general consensus on NBL is that all I offer is BS. So I try to be sparing in what I say there. But I'll trust you to select some of what I spout here for that audience.

    As I often say, my analytical faculties are not the best, although my intuition is good. There is resulting unevenness of thought. FWIW, my latest (uneven albeit) assessment of things is that much of what we call Western civilization has run its course. Indeed, we now find ourselves immersed in the physical and psychological infrastructure of that civilization, having little choice other than to work with it. No running off to the woods. But no one seems to know how to work with what we have here now. I suspect it has to do with a lack of background in cultural conservation/studies (and terms that include conservation and preservation seem hopelessly confused anyway).

    I've been a poor student throughout my life. I missed the boat on being a well rounded member of modern society. But in some cases, I appear to leapfrog over a lot of useless crap and get to the core issues of a collapsing world.

    I need to go make breakfast, so quick and dirty: I love your assessment of what the land must be like. I also think that the web of Western culture memes hides nearly everything valuable from sight. All the ideas we have about species, hierarchies, race, cultures, science, etc. are beyond inadequate. In short, I'm thinking we should treat complicated industrial environment the way a tribal "primitive" might. The essential approach would be that of an aborigine, with Western science only guiding the process from the side, seeing that nothing explodes. So, naturally, I lean toward your idea for microbes (word) to try digesting nuclear waste. It's almost like saying to a child, "Eat some dirt. It will be good for you." But we need to have the stories and the lore of nature to best use its remedies. It is time to call for indigenous knowledge. But that could fail spectacularly if not done in the right way, within the right limits. (Maybe this is an issue for Sabine.). Anyway, off I go for now.

  32. I forgot to suggest bringing OGF into the conversation too. Hers was quite a post today on NBL. She would certainly understand the relationship of western culture to both the questions and answers we seek. And why people in sterile offices in white coats, and where glass tubes threaten to shatter, might not ask the right questions or have appropriate answers.

    To use a cliche, everything needs to be turned upside down.

    1. Mark,

      I keep going over thoughts. One of the deadly results of western civilization (WC) is splitting up knowledge areas, breaking them down into increasingly specialized and isolated units. Unfortunately, this is very much like the three blind men describing the elephant. It also has nothing to do with reality, where everything is interconnected. The people making decisions about the planet are not "trained" or "qualified" to do so.

      As a mental exercise, I find it helpful to imagine that WC is over, although all the buildings remain and all the white people are still in charge. Rick Perry, for instance, is still in charge. So I find it useful to see this as a demonstration of the Emperor's New Clothes. There are all these ghosts of WC walking around as if they were alive, but they are not. We've obligingly trained ourselves to see them as real. We need to stop doing that. I would prefer to see Mark Austin as the real person who is in charge, and that is the image I carry with me. I would prefer to "image" OGF in charge too.

      Different subject: Nothing useful can be done in America absent a survivable US vision for the entire world. Money can't be the governing principle, and wild volatility of all sorts must be contained. I'm with you to use FF *sparingly,* *non-capitalistically* to make solar panels for *distributed* energy. Wind power where it doesn't freak out the birds. Wind powered ships for sure! Everybody collects roof water in tanks. 90% of people contribute to food production. Passive solar, underground tunnels, basements...

      I like America's having such grandiose military "superiority." (It wasn't superior to the poor, well motivated North Vietnamese, but it will do against other great powers.) This power must keep "poachers" away from wildernesss and self-sufficient peoples of all sorts. It must ensure equitable (not equal) distribution of the basics among the lumpen-proletariat of the world.

      Since we, the humble people, support this vast military, it must ensure that we too have the basics--free everything that is basic. Volunteerism must flourish. Everybody must try to help themselves (and their neighbors when appropriate).

      Nuclear safety is SO important that it seems to have a unique role in galvanizing an American vision for the world. Nuclear safety here is connected to EVERYTHING else, including what's above. It must be part of a seamless, coherent whole, of which land use is a centerpiece. (Nothing can happen away from the land, and the land, including the waters, is a seamless, coherent whole placed upon a single ball of rock floating in space. It isn't complicated, although WC insists that it be so.

      Again, I have to fly off to do something. More soon.

  33. So I'm struggling with the seeming contradiction. Promoting the end of WC while equally promoting Pax Americana.

    Since the non-European world is far more populous than the European one, Pax Americana would have (to be true to its name) to throw off the scourge of leader of Euro American empire and become something else. It can't have European domination and Pax Americana at the same time. I conjecture. Yet, it is the European heritage and epistemology that gives it dominance, especially technical and economic dominance. It makes for a very strange, paradoxical and subtle situation. Of course, the plunder of the land which it occupies is the primary foundation of it power.

    America comprises all the ethnicities and nationalities in the world. In that sense, it is already set up for a truly global Pax Americana.

    So what's in the way? Plenty. Counter narratives for America. A certain variety of corporate and military occupation, it seems. There's the expansive and survival-oriented America, and there its duplicitous and death obsessed twin. The latter appears to have been at least, slightly dominant throughout US history, while it has not by any means squashed or negated its opposite. I imagine that both are at work in the highest branches of power. In the military and in corporations perhaps. (Caution: I have the reputation of being a BS spouter who knows nothing, throwing out superficialities off the top of his head. But since my current ideas on America match those I had 40 years ago, I figure there's something to them, and that I owe it to my intuition to keep going.)

    What is different now? We're running out of the natural resources and the FF energy that gave America its dominance while enabling the evil twin to dominate. America can only retain "dominance" (bearing in mind that there is altruistic dominance as well as a dystopian one which is winning now) if it "frees its slaves," especially the Indian. It must free the blacks imprisoned in ghettos. It must "give back" the land and confine itself geographically.

    The issue of race must be reconsidered. Tentatively, I'm proposing that there are two "races" in the world: black and white. Which one we are is the one we choose. It only occasionally and partially depends on our pigmentation. There is historically-black, and there is black-by-choice. The same applies to white.

    White is a social construct designed to divide people and root out their original indigenous identities. It has been a tool of hierarchy which has greatly privileged Europeans and punished Africans. In punishing Africans, all non-white people were swooped up into the ideological net of discrimination and persecution based on non-whiteness. (OK, I concede my ignorance of history. This is all tentative and conjectural after all.) To identify as white plays into the narrative of division and hierarchy by race. It also enables the class discrimination that depends on the manufactured antagonism between poor whites and all blacks. In this game, the elites, usually whites, win.

    To split ourselves into yellow, brown, wannabe-black, red or whatever does not strike me as being as politically empowering as all coming together as "black" This attempts to appropriate the trick that was pulled to create "white." Just my two cents.

    So now we have a black world that identifies with all the wretched of the earth, and a white world that does not. We are all Africans by origin. But that is not a political statement. We can all be Africans by policy, and that I see as a political statement.

  34. While writing the latest (9:43 PM) post, I kept thinking of OGF. I tried getting to her privately via the forum, but she isn't listed there.

    But maybe its best to keep this between us. If she got on my case it would be painful. If this ever goes anywhere "out there," however, her input might help avert some sort of disaster. :-)

  35. The energy to do all this has to come from somewhere. But how to get and manage it in a way that doesn't complete the 6th great extinction. Some sort of strange, weird, subtle form of military dictatorship that doesn't feel like one is my best projection. Or a straightforward military dictatorship that indeed feels like one. Some people would say even that was hopium. Might as well go with dictatorship #1. :-)

  36. Hi, Artleads. I wasn't able to post as ogf! Not sure why.

    My points have never been what most people seem to think they are, and I'm very careful with my words. One thing I try to do is speak from my own perspective. I don't think I ever would say what "race is" or is not.

    This is a huge part of the difficulty I have at NBL. I cannot talk to those people specifically because everything they communicate is from this god-like level of How Things Are all the time, and they interpret everything I write through that same absolutist lens, but I don't think I'm absolutist in that way at all. As I've tried to express repeatedly, I do not have a sufficient shared vocabulary with most of them to discuss the ideas.

    All good people look just like all other good people everywhere in the world. All decent, compassionate, wise, good people look exactly like each other when you look at the path they leave behind them, and maybe the best people leave the least impression of all.

    So it is with all indecent people, with malicious people. They leave the same trail of death and confusion and chaos and tears behind them, no matter what their race or color, and sometimes even species. There are gentle animals and vicious animals, too, as anyone who knows anything about the animals knows. Even the animals have a sense of fairness, decency, and reason.

    When we discuss how people are everywhere, we're into the cosmic level of determining reality.

    However, when we are talking about the genocide of the Native Americans, the rapacious destruction of the earth, the stupidity and all the evil behind that genocide, what we are talking about is history and it is specific and contextual. It's not about how all people are everywhere and everywhen. It's specific, and it's irrefutable, and it's not something that gets much mileage with people in the mainstream culture. They'd much prefer the nebulousness of cosmic understandings that are valid regardless of all context.

    I don't "blame" white people. I'm mostly white. As individuals, I don't like anyone of any particular race better than any other. We're all pretty intolerable, I think, including me. I wouldn't inflict myself on anyone at this point in my life.

    I blame evil. I am unabashedly spiritual and I do not know all the particulars but I don't think this story began here or ends here.

    Believing that things are spiritual in the long run, however, doesn't mean I'm feeling sympathetic to narcissistic, racist bullshit that gets espoused at NBL so staggeringly frequently, as the latest conversation displays. That group may do it with a velvet fist, as Daniel has attempted in his recent post, or they may do it in pithy little droplets of venom ala Robin Datta and others, but they have but one response to anything that pricks their sense of entitlement, and it's not peaceful, I'll tell you that.

    I have considered going back through NBL and looking for the numerous comments I know I would find wherein that intellectual elite used the "fact" of Paleo-Indian-caused extinction of the megafauna to set someone like myself straight, as they do "noble savage fantasies," something I consider the equivalent of calling someone a 'nigger lover' because that is exactly how it is used.

    I know I would find dozens, if not a few hundred comments by people declaring the Cosmic Truth of early Indians wiping out all the big animals.

    But when that theory gets the boot, and I bring it up, none of those people are interested in talking about the demise of the theory! I cannot understand this. I wanted to talk about it. I would think it would be big news. Where is Bud Nye in this. Along with Keeley and LeBlanc, Bud is a very huge fan of the megafauna extinction discussion, or at least he was.

    1. Hi OGF,

      I did say in my blog post called "Conservation Fraud" that the megafauna was wiped out by human beings. I should correct that. I have since learned that it is yet another fallacy that gets perpetuated by folks. I happened to get caught in it. I don't believe anymore human beings did it. I argued as much on NBL months ago. The blog post is from last year when I hadn't researched it enough. I'll correct it.

      Love your comments!

    2. Hi, Satish. The whole megafauna thing is just weird, as is the entire 'noble savage' thing, which is truly bizarre. Shep posted a link to an article that was published at counter punch two days ago. A number of the points made by the author of the article are quite similar to those I made at NBL about the entire megafauna conversation and 'noble savage fantasy' dismissal, I thought..

      The megafauna fallacy could only have occurred in a deeply racist society, and one where the foundational view of life is mechanistic. I suspect that the same climactic changes that caused the extinction of the big animals also allowed earlier humans to enter into new territories and thrive. And I do not in the least believe that "if they could have, they would have" exterminated undesirable animals. There is nothing in the archeological record nor in their pre-Columbian or known cultural traditions to indicate that such a thing was ever even an objective or desire.

      Both of those highly racist perspectives are cultural projections that are deeply imbedded in the power structure of the US, hence their rootedness in higher education among other highly controlled arenas, where those in power strictly control all communications and all models of reality that are established with words.

      Control of the race-genocide-land theft conversation is a parallel to how they kill everything else, too, and how they prevent us from talking about it or holding them accountable. It's all verbal-psychological tactics that force a particular view of all reality. You can see it in the overwhelming drive at NBL on the part of the participants to unconsciously and relentlessly determine some omniscient level of understanding as to How Things Are, e.g., "All people are the same!"

      Being God, even for atheists in that culture, is foundational to the approach to the world outside. and this culture instills the necessity for the god-like perspective in people. It blinds us to reality, and the farther up the social food chain you go, the more prevalent and oppressive it becomes. Your own former field in engineer is full of the same sort of death-march rationalizations and control over values and "reality" that are not in keeping with the power structure.

  37. OGF,

    They don't generally make them as brave as you. Datta has repeatedly referred to Bonobama, apparently not concerned that this was at once speciesist and racist. I don't know where you get the strength to stand up to these people, but please guard and conserve that strength. I'm thankful for Shep and Wester too.

    I posted this above:

    "Since the non-European world is far more populous than the European one, Pax Americana would have (to be true to its name) to throw off the scourge of leader of Euro American empire and become something else. It can't have European domination and Pax Americana at the same time. I conjecture. Yet, it is the European heritage and epistemology that gives it dominance, especially technical and economic dominance. It makes for a very strange, paradoxical and subtle situation. Of course, the plunder of the land which it occupies is the primary foundation of it power."

    I consider it my calling to create constructive concepts based on intuition and my weird life experiences. Even if it's too late for them. Most people on NBL would consider these conceptions to be masturbatory fantasies, but it doesn't feel that way to me. And if I can't trust my own feelings, what can I trust?

    I'm an American exceptionalist, and yet I can match anybody in seeing the shadow side of this place. Not true. I keep being surprised and aghast by a constant stream of new findings. But, in keeping with your statements, my own shadow side is nothing to be sanguine about. It is because they are so profound that I can "understand" America. And sometimes it takes one born offshore to do this.

    So, of all the mad things you can imagine, I looking at a scenario where America saves the world. What I see my project as is a spiritual journey. Maybe it's not entirely dissimilar to shamanic practices and rain dances. It makes no sense to the Western secular mind.

    I don't write poems, but I scribbled something like one 40 years ago as to how America is the world, but it needs to have some color. And here, 40 years on it still needs to have some color. Any viable future (long or short) for America must be as a global-race nation. That frightens the shit out of many people. Maybe it can't only be named after Amerigo Vespucci, but must also alternate that name with Turtle Island. Whatever.

    Back in the 60s, I remember reading something by Henry Miller (so prescient was he) that America was not long for this world, and would inevitably revert back to the Native Americans.

    So here's my question: Why wait? Why can't Indians take back the country now? What would that look like? I've been thinking about confining all the gringos, me included, to the urban and metropolitan areas, and "giving back" all the rest of the land. But how would the national Indian community do it?

    I can generally tell what direction to take, but everybody else has got to find the roads to get there. A spiritual journey starts with a vision. What is your sense of this vision? What would you change, take away or add?

  38. I find that I omitted part of the pragmatics (very down-to-earth) behind this vision. But let's see what you make of this first

  39. Artleads, maybe the Creator will give something to the Indians, or make everyone more in tune with nature similar to how indigenous people were and sometimes still are. We humans, however, at least at our present level of whatever, cannot make any of it better, or remake it, or unmake it, I do not believe. In my traditional culture, outside of art and artistic practical implements, there was only ever the possibility of making something of oneself, not anything outside of oneself. It's personal.

    That does not mean that one cannot commit to service in this world. Service, however, is very different from leading with a vision for something better. That, too, is personal.

    This is something Sitting Bull had to say:

    "What white man can say I ever stole his land or a penny f his money? Yet, they say I am a thief. What white woman, however lonely, was ever captive or insulted by me? Yet they say I am a bad Indian. What why man has ever seen me drunk? Who has ever come to me hungry and unfed? Who has ever seen me beat my wives or abuse my children? What law have I broken?"

    Notice how Sitting Bull emphasized his personal virtue, his integrity, his treatment of others, and those things that were observable and measurable. It wasn't a philosophical discussion about god-like understandings on Sitting Bull's part, but rather the divine honesty and truth in his statements about himself and his conduct.

    In many ways that's me, too, not to be vain and compare myself to Sitting Bull, but I have that intense pragmatic and personal approach to seeing things. I'm focusing on my dogs and my chickens, and bizarrely trying to keep cool in 78F temperatures day after day after day in Alaska. - I have never, never seen a summer like this one, not even last year. -

    Shep is right and things are changing fast. Maybe faster than we think. It's crazy, huh.

    It's all personal, I think.

  40. OGF,

    I'm trying to say that the Creator does things through ordinary people. And maybe the Creator is saying this is the time--not some far distant future--where the Indian has the chance to rectify some of the wrongs dealt out on this land.

    Tom Friedman used Lebanon as an example of warring majorities that managed to cool their conflict by putting a very minor minority in charge. That minority diffused the animosity of the larger groups, since it was no threat to any. I'm speculating that the Indian could have that role here. It is also an incredible blessing on America that the Indian has this organic and historical relationship to the place. I doubt that any other Eurocentric society has anything similar. I'm just stating what I see staring me in the face. An old anthropology professor of mine in the past worked with the Navajo system that I believed decoded the Nazi WWII code. No place else in Europe had that advantage. (Sorry, I'm vague about the details.) I'm not waiting for somebody else to explain it to me (if or when they see it too) . This is what I do with my life. I think about things, try to see relationships (which is what my art background has also helped to develop). In my own parlance, it seems that this is what God wanted me to do. I try to do my part, say my say, have faith, and move on. Beyond bearing witness to what I understand, and sharing it, I don't try to change anything. This creation will have to (and does) change itself. But since I'm a part of this creation, I have a small part in the change as well.

    Figuring how to keep plants cool will be a serious challenge for us both. And thanks SO much for taking the time to respond to me!

  41. Artleads,

    I think the aboriginal people of Australia are very similar to Native Americans in their depth of understanding of nature and spirituality, if not similar in their expressions and entirely similar conceptually.

    The Navajos were the "code talkers." They created a code using Navajo, and translated American intelligence information into Navajo, and then from Navajo into the code. The Axis enemies were unable to break the code. It was very helpful to the US/European Allies to have a code that could not be broken. So, the Navajos did not break a European code; they created a secure code using their language that the Europeans could not break.

    Artleads, we will go to another world, I believe. This is not the only world there is, I don't think, and I think this world is not what it seems. The Creator is beyond words, beyond our ability to capture in words. I can write about the dogs and the chickens and the amazing, beautiful summer we are having. I can write about the raspberries I pick everyday from the patch that covers a good portion of the back of my one-acre lot.

    I will write more later as it's late tonight. Thanks for the invite! It's nice to chat at Kuku again.

  42. I read something about the Navajo language a really long time ago, like 30-40 years ago, I'm not even sure when, that made so much sense to me at the time based on my experience with Native Americans. Whatever book I was reading about the Navajo stated that in their language there is no way to express the idea "the horse kicked me." If a horse kicked an adult person, the only way of expressing the idea in that language was to say, "I let the horse kick me."

    This was because, it was explained, a human was above a horse in intelligence, and that fact dictated the manner in which a horse kicking a human could be both seen and articulated. It wasn't a matter of how we say the individual words, like a rule where a person needs to add "please" to a sentence. it was a matter of how verbs were/are used within that language and how that usage reflects unspoken concepts.

    That was a long time ago, and I may not have remembered the information exactly correctly all these years, but I still see a relevance in what I do remember because I'm a word person, a reader, a talker and writer, and that example of "I let the horse kick me" is a beautiful example of how language implies more than the mere physical action involved. In this case a clear superiority and responsibility as well as lack of victimhood on the part of the human in the human-horse relationship is implied within the construct of the language itself. Language reflects how humans see power and confer power.

    Within all languages there are unspoken understandings about power that dictate how we can articulate reality, and therefore see reality. Language either allows us to form valid models of reality, or it does not. Our conceptual models of reality available to us in the west within the limitations of our language and use of language cannot help us now, I don't think.

    In spirit we are telepathic, and communications are multi-layered and dense points of information that include knowledge and emotion. There is no confusion in spirit as there is with human language communication. This is where we must be for there to be any substantive change in human destructiveness and earthly suffering, both natural and human-created. The differences we long for will never be out there until in here is quite different than it is now.

    And I don't know if that difference will ever occur. I don't know the plan for the world at all, but I know that many prophecies assure us all that there is a plan and eventually things will be good again. I don't know that. I don't know that it won't happen.

    I just don't know. But I do think Shep is right, and things are moving faster now. I'm sure I've mentioned it before, but the Bible says that the desolation of the earth will progress like a woman's birth pains, or labor. I've had a baby, and that analogy makes a lot of sense to me. The fires in the west are blowing my mind as I enjoy one of the most beautiful summers I've ever seen in my life.

  43. "If a horse kicked an adult person, the only way of expressing the idea in that language was to say, "I let the horse kick me."

    What you are saying is very deep and beautiful. I think Rastafarians use language in similar ways. I lack this kind of depth, so my quest is to get out of the way and do no harm (to myself or others).

    "Letting the horse kick me" struck me at first glance as saying we need to take leadership and to be in charge, to think things through a lot in advance of taking action. That would be deep as well. Everything is telling us something. And listening to the inner self... but here the language fails me. The Navajos would know how to say it.

    I appreciate your story about something there being else beyond this. The only vague understanding I have about this is the absolute inner conviction that everything I do here now matters profoundly. It's as if there is a spirit world in which it manifests, but I give that no thought. I just have the absolute inner certainty, and that is all I go by.

    I'm 77 years young, and I've never never not seen a result in my life that I couldn't trace to how I behaved. There are no surprises. Behave well, and the results (while I can't predict them) are good. And being tense, agitated, hurried, bad-angry also have predictable outcomes. So I don't see or feel human extinction. How come? Maybe I can only see what's in front of my face. Meanwhile, other species are going extinct as we speak. It's that ongoing, everyday, constant reality that I think gets overlooked. We are not looking at reality.

    I also must explain that I wouldn't be thinking about Indian leadership if it wasn't for what you teach and explain on NBL. So, as far as *I'm* concerned, you were "sent." I believe with Mo that this has all happened before. No accidents. This is why I hope you'll read what I wrote to Mark over the last 3 days or so--nothing earlier. I thought about, and even mentioned you as I wrote.

    I won't belabor the subject, but if there is an Indian political slate, that is what, in theory, I would vote for. That seems like a neat and elegant way to get native leadership. Beyond that, I have no concept of how things would work. For me, the land-as-sacred would have to be on the ticket. For instance, the Nambe Pueblo governor was explaining at a county meeting how the land was traditionally managed. Walk from the pueblo for one day, and place a rock at that point. That was the border of pueblo responsibility.

    Some pueblos developed extensive underground spaces, and I believe we need to have this again. But how do you integrate skyscrapers with Indian land-management styles? I suspect that the theories and experiments I've been preoccupied with for decades might help make a contribution there.

    Satish was completely out of this world in his understanding, but I don't share his sense of finality. There, I share your sense of "I don't knew." :-)

    1. "The only vague understanding I have about this is the absolute inner conviction that everything I do here now matters profoundly."

      I feel exactly the same and I have ever since I can remember, even as a very young child.

      I think the spirit world is the real world, and this world is contained within it as a dream is contained within the consciousness of the dreaming person.

      But I could always be wrong.

  44. Well, that's the thing about natives, Artleads, leadership is within the context of anarchy! We don't really lead the way westerners do. We will slap the shit out of you if you fail to abide by the few rules we do have - respect, share, take responsibility, tell the truth, etc., but that's not the same. :O) In our cultures, people are responsible for their own happiness, and the only rules we really have are about human destructiveness, not human fixedness, because the power isn't in us. The power is in Nature and the Creator, and our job is to get out of the way and to assist in healing by ensuring that we are the very best human beings we can be and by not screwing up things we don't understand and can't make right. It's a very encompassing worldview, but it precludes a lot of speculation about all the possibilities inherent in human activities. It also precludes a lot of human creativity, both material and conceptual, and all conversations about those things.

    It can make it hard to talk to a lot of people, LOL.


  45. See? I'm as unfit for Native culture as anyone you've ever seen, me being the arch individualist/egotist/creative-ist. They would kill me in no time. Only the west would put up with such an abomination. But the west only cares about money, so that's a bad fit too. Thus confirming my mantra to me: Keep the fuck out of the way. Nothing to do but say my say. If it's useful to anyone, they can keep it. Otherwise...

  46. You get to be creative when you convert.. You get to be artistic. We just limit your expression. Your creativity is confined to your person and approved materials. How are you at making canoes or drums? Some of the finest silversmiths are Native American and make quite beautiful jewelry. Creativity is greatly valued in our cultures. But you don't get to recreate the world. That's already been done, and no human is going to do a better job than the Creator did. But we know you'll love showing off your beautiful handcrafted scrimmage board and hand-carved ceremonial pipe that you make in the quiet of the evenings, after tending the beautiful gardens you grow.

    1. Aahh. That's the problem. I HATE all that stuff. The admittedly commercial Indian crafts stall at the Santa Fe say it bores the living shit out of me is putting it mild.

      I've totally imbibed the western cultural koolaid of distinguishing between "high art" (which is where I imagine I hang out) and "crafts." I am gloriously sick.

      It's not that I want to create the world. It's more that I think I'm god. So what's the distinction between us? I say fuck it to everybody's belief system. Why is my belief system less valid than theirs? I couldn't be here without creation itself putting me here. Period. I listen to myself, since that self is the essence of god. I am holy. I am divine. Fuck to hell anyone who disagrees.

      What I'm about is something NEW, east, west, civilized, native...ALL TOGETHER. From my observation, Native Americans are struggling with how to do that, and have been for a very long time. I am proposing ONE way to make the integration from the other end, one which I have not quite seen anywhere else. People can take it or leave. Makes me no difference. Once you have a clear mental vision, it goes out into the universe.

  47. What is there to agree or disagree about? You have a dream, a vision. You need no agreement for your vision. It's yours. You can do as you please with it.

    I have a vision of myself with a nice cozy fire in the wood stove during the upcoming fall evenings that will arrive soon, even as I live as fully as possible the beautiful summer day now.

  48. Yet, I am most grateful for every ounce of pushback toward humility or modesty.

  49. The following is taken off the NBL forum. I repost it here, since it seems to be somewhat relevant to Mark's work:

    From Ilinda:

    Old growth in the eastern half of the United States is indeed a rarity. And yes clearcuts are every bit as UGLY as anyone can imagine, write about, or capture in photos or video. Ugly is an understatement.

    I saw my first clearcut in 1977 and was shocked at the devastation. No need to drone on about how the number and scope of clearcuts on federal land increased exponentially until now, when there's not a lot left to clearcut.

    Further, a 90 year old neighbor who in his younger years did logging for the U.S.Forest Service and at that time, said a "saw log" minimum size was 16 or 18" dbh (diameter at breast height). Further, "90" said that if the loggers damaged any nearby tree in the slightest bit, the logger was required to pay the USFS for the damage, due to loss of future sale value. Nowadays, it would be impossible to assess "damage" to nearby trees when they are basically shredding entire swaths of forest!

    They have cut so much and so often that most trees are rarely allowed to get to that size, thus now a "saw log" minimum dbh is around 7 or 9", possibly smaller. Heck, they'll be lucky to get one 2X4 from each tree! Worse, they might even be chipping most of them, as you will notice so much wood furniture nowadays isn't solid wood anyway--just a bunch of wood and sawdust and chip particles glued to gether, whether supposedly fine furniture, or chipboard.

    Making matters worse, the USFS loves to defraud the public by creating a "beauty strip" along the roadsides where they have butchered a swath of forestland, formerly homes for all sorts of wildlife. This so-called beauty strip is nothing but a farce and the purpose is to fool the public as they drive through the "forest" (using the term lightly) seeing the nearby trees and thinking what a beautiful job the USFS is doing.

    A good friend told the USFS one day that they have clearcut so much forest surrounding his farm that when we wants to walk in the woods now, he has to wear sunblock.

    I could prattle on, but will make this last-but-not-least comment that the USFS also changed the term from "clear cut" to "even-age management" as if the verbiage changed the devastation.

    About the only place these days in the eastern half of the U.S. to see true old growth is on private land, and even that is a rarity. There is a preserved old growth forest called Blanton Forest, named after a now-deceased Mr. Blanton who many, many decades ago loved to walk in his woods, which he never allowed to be cut. On Sundays his family would always invite him to go to church with them. He always replied he was going out to walk in the woods, his own church, (or something similar). Blanton Forest is in Kentucky and hopefully I can hike in it someday.


  50. My Response:

    « Reply #475 on: Today at 07:54:48 AM »


    I think this kind of information has trouble sinking in. Even after reading the above, I don't have a crystal clear image where exactly this took place. Even though you wrote it very clearly. I think this is how the public feels as well. Catastrophic deforestation, so deadly to body and spirit, can't stick in the mind, can't even be grasped in its global scope.

    I wouldn't be surprised to learn that half the Amazon Rainforest has disappeared in the last 50 years. I don't know. The public doesn't know. We're not even absolutely clear which South American countries are affected, or how they look on a map. Worse even, we have trouble finding Borneo and Congo on the map, and those are only two of many global sites of massive deforestation on the planet. I'm clearer about Borneo. less clear about Congo, as far as extent of Rainforest loss goes. For this information to be clear and to sink in it would need to be posted on all billboards everywhere, and to never be replaced. It would have to be the priority for all curriculum. Theoretically, it's not impossible to do. But, not only is this information never presented clearly or appropriately, the scattered incoherent bits that we learn about get MASSIVELY drowned out by all the noise of IC, busy as always with crap...

  51. ARTLEADS - Old Growth Forest & Satish, reading everything with a spirit of thanks. I am here sometimes at bedtime, wandering over your words that create images. You are literally in my dreams...then the full blast of another day begins and I forget to THANK YOU

  52. Thanks Mark. You are a lovely person. And what wonderful conversations with OGF and Satish. And of course, Mo. What would we do without Mo? In a nutshell, I'm envisioning America as game warden for Earth Park. :-) It's that vision against the CERN vision. The one we feed is the one that grows...

  53. Hi Mark,

    I saw your comment and attribution on NBL, although I feel more comfortable commenting here. Thanks for reading what I post on kuku. I don't mind your using anything you see fit. One caution, FWIW: It's that my POV is on such a different wavelength from the general on NBL that it can sometimes subject me to others' anger, scorn, impatience, ridicule...

    It's hard for some to appreciate the joy of trying to sort out what actually is going on in our social system. Many people are not able to do it effectively. It can give life meaning, even if we are unable to change society. (But we wouldn't be able to change it short of figuring it out.)

    I believe in vision, and leadership based on vision. (It's hard to see what else leadership can be based on.) From my experience subbing in a very troubled school district, leadership based on vision--like a vision of calm and order--really makes a difference. People can behave very badly or very well, seemingly dependent on the quality of leadership they receive.

    The qualities we have for leadership were put there by life itself. No one has the right to judge or trample on those qualities. IMHO.

  54. "(But we wouldn't be able to change it short of figuring it out.)"

    This is misleading. I don't think we can figure out much of anything. But there are many obvious errors society makes that common sense or radical thinking outside the box can shed light on, even if it can only nudge them in a somewhat more interesting, orderly, coherent or beautiful direction.

  55. Hi Artleads I admire your thoughts. I travel rather extensively, yet much of the world has become homogenous in a commercialized consumer perspective. I wanted to honor you by sharing with NBL but the world if full of mean people. After hacks into NSA records I got threats from ISIS. (only time I got frightened.) Otherwise political families & media people are used to harsh words. I'm going the Vermont nuclear plant decommissioning. Made friends with Lidia because I don't take anything on NBL too personal. Some get strengthened by fire like fresh growth to forests as long as the inner core of the trees are not harmed.

    Your views and ideas match my dreams for a better world which were much like yours years before connecting with you. I post stuff then wait days before returning. Try to balance my time by simply being off the grid. up the Blue Ridge parkway or down to the bird sanctuary in the Maryland salt mash. There is constant healing in nature. Scientific uncertainty in every wavelength. Evolution taking dramatic turns for billions of years. Absorb and admire eternal flow. From atoms to asteroids my little moment in vast creation is astounding.

    Connected to Dr. Steven Benner at Applied Molecular Evolution, Dr. Jeff Perlman at Epimedix & a DARPA conjunction with DOE seeking radiation solutions we play a part in the genetic altering of Tardigrades. Our collective fingerprints will be erased in the future - yet the breakthroughs in hybrid synthetic biology are now actively implanted in the DNA of thermophiles.

    Extremeophiles have existed for millions of years. They travel across space. They live on the volcanic vents of our deepest ocean trenches. Fact is they are getting a boost from scientists. Maybe human technology only exists briefly to help the Tardigrades. We are their temporary doctors providing ancient survivors with higher seivert tolerance. No trace of us will remain in service to evolution.

    I was born under atomic test clouds than rained radioactive nucleotides. Worked this decade seeking reduction solutions. We are all part of mother nature. I fully accept that not enough humans will change their habits or make a mass effort against nukes. The reality for over 400 reactors that can't be maintained in perpetuity has been living for aeons in microns of dirt. GMO "E.X.T." ingest radiation. After the Nuclear winter mutant plants will do their natural best to re-balance the atmosphere

    On the course of enhanced evolution I go to Boston next week to meet with Dr. Victor De Grutola. Both MIT & Berkley labs are working on computer processing Genome sequences for molecular evolution.
    These technological advances, which in some way are awesome and contribute to a higher standard of living, could be used against us—maybe not by the machines themselves, but by criminals.

    I am also working with a brilliant chemist at DARPA who created electronic skin. Sophie McBain writes that modern updates in synthetic biology and nanotechnology could hurt us "by accident or through deliberate, criminal intent." Like the vials of anthrax mistakenly sent to Washington earlier this year, our technology has the potential to create national alarm, especially if it's in the wrong hands. So that's why Dr. Leslie Ford at the NIH is keeping a close watch on Methane, atmospheric Phenololharbiture and Ozone alterations. A large team is studying all Geo-enginerering possibilities to buy other geneticists more time to upgrade the Tardigrades: calculating the likelihood of an apocalypse, weighing the risks, considering our options.

    Evolution beyond the impacts of human created reactors & substances will require radioactive tolerance. We can't get anyone to seriously reduce nuclear dangers so the imperative instincts of natural selection reside inside us to give the Extemeophilies a hell of a taste for radioactive wheeties beyond the stages of NTE seen unfolding by Dr. McPherson & Paul Beckwith.

  56. But... Mark. I think technology is ALL wrong and we should never, ever mess with it. I know it is impossibly magnetic, especially in a world of, what I call, the gig age, where everyone is trying to get ahead, all the while using tactics that I call the 'the gig age' AND where our system is based on ever increasing numbers. If economist do not understand this then they are all morons.

    The American indigenous never needed a bit of it. Take the cell phone for instance. People are dying because of texting, emailing and what do we get, police dressed up as public workers giving tickets to raise funds for the impossible ever expanding budgets that are required BECAUSE of our system, AND, more laws and more laws, incidentally that do not apply to the rich and well connected.

    Who will be the first to stand up and recommend taking away all cell phones. NO ONE!

    Not to rain on a parade, but...

    1. Agree, shep... just came across this -

      Technology is like a drug and technology companies and technocrats are like drug pushers. They've got us addicted.

      People say the indigenous and natives of the world would have done the same thing had they access to the technologies modern man has access to. Well, the indigenous peoples of the world did have access to oil, coal, and other resources. They CHOSE not to burn them. How and why did they choose to leave them be? It might sound to modern man as a great sacrifice, but it isn't a story of sacrifice. The indigenous peoples were excellent listeners. They chose not to bother with certain "resources" because they understood very well what it would entail in the long run. They had a very evolved sense of the sacred. Not so in our times. Modern man's only sacred sense is around constant change. Change itself is sacred to him. No matter what kind of change. But not just gradual change but rapid change. The indigenous people did change but at the speed of their environs. They didn't overwhelm their surroundings with their callousness. Modern man gets bored with gradual change. And it is how he looks upon pre-history and even much of history all the way to the industrial revolution. It's the period when nothing much happened. It was slow and boring. No new smartphone every year! Their children be damned. "Shut up, kiddo, I'm updating my status"

    2. Friend Satish,

      Our trees here have looked funny in the near past. Today as I was picking up pine cones I noticed hundreds of little trees coming up at the base of 'some' of our trees.

      I figure the trees are dying and desperately trying to proliferate so as to continue their line. Sad, watching any dying and mourning process. I wonder if they go through stages? I don't doubt it a bit. The are living aren't they?

      Also, they have been dropping cones in huge numbers, with some of them having a real small size and a 'chewed ' look to them on half of the cone. We have squirrels, but not that many.

    3. Truly heartbreaking, and not impossible to fix if there is leadership and the will to do so. The leverage point to address such intense, systemic and large-scale behavior is hard to find, however.

    4. Shep & Satish, 100% agreement with both of you. All tech is wrong & other cultures had reverence & respect not to do it.

      Very sorry but nothing about the past changes fact of current reality. FACT: Over 400 reactors, 7500 nukes, ten thousand chemical plants do exist now on earth. All of it poses a long term effect on future evolution.

      I love the times of the past. I would love to see another planet where none of this happened. A final LOVE for EARTH is to be completely honest about exactly where we are now with 7.3 billion & O care about the actual things we leave behind.

      Currently, no matter what we wish to ignore, the reality of the near future for all creatures on earth is highly radioactive. I'd love help from angels or aliens...any honest sensible answer for how plants and animals will evolve (mutate) in the toxic stew of a million chemicals mixed with 675.412 sevierts of radiation.

      Honestly please just answer the radioactive problem for all living matter beyond humans. (Humans enriched & refined the radiation)

      If Tardigrades are the only species that can survive us then God bless them. They are also called "Waterbears" - cute under a microscope. PLEASE any other actual candidiates for who or what will inherit the earth and slowly clean it up for a million years. Please it must be a plant or other carbon based lifeform that dissipates radiations and re-balances the atmosphere.

      Greatest respect for all forces of creation. Please let's get down to earth about what is actually going to happen and the resulting conditions in real planetary terms. Very few people get to think about the truth of the actual reactors we have built and the chemical composition the Earth will be in after 2030.

      Many many thanks for all the thoughts on everything else that happened on Earth. Hope most of it does not happen again on some other Earth like planet. Respect for the most probable pending reality = responsibility.

      Hopefully love & lessons will survive but so far it is still a fact of actual chemistry, physics & reality that the biosphere will be highly radioactive because those conditions exist right now with no solution. Deeply caring about actual realistic conditions does matter if we can provide a less destructive toxic environment for thousands of years of evolution. And yes sorry time is short for the hazadous waste team since billions of others are pushing buttons right now. Feels like a universal Godly force of nature is whispering to the garbage man "who will eat the dirt"???????? hurry up. clean up & be gone."

      We all like the trash taken away so we can play pretend and not see the dirty garbage man - or where the nasty nuclear waste went. Houston we got a serious overflow disposal problem.on the world stage. .

    5. Mark:

      Yes, the mess is astounding. No way to comprehend the stupidity.

    6. :-) Mark, If you agree with Satish/Shep that technology is like a drug, how does that affect what you do? Why then would you wish to alter the genes of hardy little creatures, knowing it could make even more freakish things out of them in considerable future likelihood?

      I must say that, Pollyanna that I am, I keep expecting you to totally buy into my (natural and behavioral) land use ideas. No emphasis on technology there. Ah well, after all my decades of futile advocacy, I should by now be used to never getting anywhere. I must be a good example of the song, "Send in the Clowns."

      No. Nothing will come of it. There has to be continuity and reintegrating of the sacred body of the Earth. Anything else you do is some kind of fractured human conceit, literally without grounding, a waste of time...

  57. Hi Mark,

    I tend to go soft on technology fixes. That could be due to my extreme ignorance of science, to flaws of character, to psychological disfigurement of growing up on American movies and popular music. I'm conditioned within the technological web. The good part to this is that I don't understand (modern) technology and want only the most basic and old fashioned forms of it.

    So I lack the strong moral center of a Shep, a Satish, and (I'm sure) an OGF. I'm not horrifies at the thought of geoengineering. If a knowledgeable and seemingly benign figure like Peter Wadhams (recently introduced on NBL perhaps) supports it, I tend to stay quiet and say, maybe, who knows.

    I hardly know what genes are, much less ever am likely to get somewhere near people who are changing them. It's too far outside my field to even register.

    I'm like some sort of invalid that can only maneuver within the .01 percent of the culture that relates to a small segment of the art world and to a smattering of spiritual, aesthetic and philosophical concerns. But given what looks like certain extinction if nothing is done, it hasn't occurred to me to oppose geoengineering. Maybe if I understood it better...

    But back to extinction; I thought up an analogy: I'm like someone who has soap in his eyes, and while aware that the bath water is emptying fast, is feeling around for the plug. The plug is soapy and slippery. Even if I can grasp and affix it, most of the water will have been tragically wasted, even if a small experiment-able portion of it remains. But while I'm feeling for the plug, I can't be concerned with anything else. Mine is not a reasoned program, thought out from on high; it is only an instinctive and visceral response to life circling the drain on my watch (in my bathtub).

    I'm unable to pronounce on what humans are capable of. I figure they are pretty much like me. So I will try to appeal to that sameness. I've received a very very very special and elite art/culture education, despite being the worst student ever. That education is at the core center of who (I believe) I am. This involves the ability to see and intuit all sorts of unspoken relationships implied in what is seen. This is what, 50 years ago, made me understand that the world was unraveling. It has been primarily about art, all to do with sense and sensibility. It has taken me to first causes, which leads to land use. And this understanding is what I use to appeal to the common sense in other people. I just go step by step, trying to point out fallacies. In my long experience, nothing bad has ever happened to me if I behaved well. And I've been unbelievably well favored, despite my bad behavior. So I look at life through rose colored glasses. I can't make the judgment that humans will perish but must ensure that life of some sort remains. I don't care whether or not some sort of life survives humans. I do my best not to harm the web of life, but that concerns MY behavior in the now. It doesn't not go beyond that.

    Let me rein in this long, rambling comment. You are the only person in high government circles that I know. (Actually, I know somebody who is/was in the State Dep, in a field that might be relevant to you, but she never replies to me, and isn't communicative or curious in the least. If Guy visits DC, I would at least let her know about it.) Since I believe in top down as well as bottom up, I've trusted that the creator put you here to share what's happening at the top, and to bring some of the bottom up to the top. I hope you listen carefully to Shep and Satish. You already know my concerns. :-)

  58. Mark,

    You seem to be like me: trying to plug the bathtub before all the water runs out. We seem to diverge somewhat where it comes to ONGOING (NON-STOP) COMMUNITY ORGANIZING AT THE GRASSROOTS, NATIONAL AND GLOBAL LEVELS. While you get involved with powerful people who propose geoengineering, etc., I put my emphasis on the network of governance entities working to tie the earth back together in one piece.

    At this incredibly late stage, I don't see how anything survives without geoengineering. Personally, I emphasize human survival. Humans can survive now beyond other complex life, but don't understand how those extinctions mandate our own. But some kind of reverse may well be true. If humans can survive with and through the understanding of how we connect to other life, then that other life will also survive. It is that latter scenario that preoccupies me. Now, that scenario appears to have been foreclosed, short, possibly, of geoengineering. But geoengineering would not obviate the need for unprecedentedly radical community work. We will need everything.

    Obama has the power (while he's still in office) to bring people together both under the rubric of community organizing and that of geoengineering. I am willing to help (modestly) with organizing within Santa Fe county. Thousands of others are there to volunteer similar assistance here and elsewhere. Where geoengineering is concerned, I have provisional trust in Kevin Anderson, Paul Beckwith and Peter Wadhams. The kind of trust I have in McPherson. Get them together with others at a table.

    Even if you leave formal, paid service, your continued voluntary assistance (at your own pace and convenience) would also be helpful.

    I am not anxious, overwrought, or fearful. God does not work through these qualities. God works through happiness and joy. If the latter does not suffice to save the planet, then so be it. But I will continue plodding along here and there, no matter what...until I can't.

  59. A talk I intend to submit later today at the county commissioner meeting:

    Look at what mining did to the Animas river. Let's ask ourselves if we can keep building mines forever on a finite area of land.

    I started attending county meetings due to support for the Save La Bajada Mesa movement, (to stop a massive gravel mining operation on a sacred site and pending national landmark). But now I also see the relationship of gravel mining to building and infrastructure development of the county.

    Why is gravel being mined? How much gravel do we need? What if these questions are contingent on how many, and where, roads are built?

    Where roads are being built now is where rural heritage and scenic values are eroding. Just look at Rancho Viejo and the 599 corridor (formerly county land). Just look at lower Cerrillos Rd and the I-25 corridor skirting the city and county.

    No one looks at building as a DCI. But if you have a development model that is calculated to remove critical amounts of open space, scenic assets, and rural heritage any development on open land constitutes a DCI. The so called sustainable plan does not help with this.

    The Sustainable Growth Management Plan is a contradiction in terms. Given how development is being practiced in Santa Fe city and county, growth would continue infinitely within the geographic scope of the county. But that runs into a contradiction. You can't have infinite growth on a finite amount of land. So the very name of the plan attests to something unclear and ill conceived about county development.

    County planning needs to go back to the drawing board. This time, there should be input from volunteer historians, landscape architects, artists, tribes, and other concerned citizens, as well as the groups and professionals who created the current plan. We need a more transparent, long term, people friendly planning process.

    Fortunately, there may be a way to grow with restrictions for a long time without requiring new sources of gravel, and while enabling an increase in the perception and enjoyment of open space, but that requires new and smaller buildings to be placed where roads and buildings already exist. It precludes the construction of new roads. It rules out new developments like Rancho Viejo. It might require Form Based Planning for major circulation arteries, such as the Turquoise Trail. It examines and questions the annexation process. Form based planning is a very precise kind of proactive planning that goes beyond abstract codes to specific directions on how a place will look. If there is mining in the county, form based planning would say, not only where it shouldn't go, but also where it should, and what such places would be like in terms of geology, hydrology and aesthetics, etc. I suggest that we need form based planning for the entire county of Santa Fe.

    Meanwhile, I recommend that the new Senior facility near Lone Butte, discussed at the previous BCC meeting, be used as an opportunity to examine rural heritage preservation in new construction.

    I appeal to the county, through better planning, to reduce the need for new roads so as to be in balance with reduced gravel acquisition. Gravel mining is now hanging in the wind, with no relationship to the application of the gravel. I appeal to the county to address that discrepancy.

  60. DCI = Development of County-wide Impact

  61. ARTLEADS - I am very much like your analogy of the guy in the bathtub. 0000 you've got me popping all sorts of bubbles with laughter. Serious stuff down the drain for a moment..remember when Bob S. on NBL posted my old resume? I'm just a bad actor from long ago on a TV soap opera. Schwarzenegger & Regan. tiny bubbles....

    Sorry your friend at State Dept does not communicate. Top down, Bottoms up, sideways, we are all human in this together.

    I'm looking forward to meeting Lidia in Vermont as much as anyone during my decommissioning meetings at the State capitols of VT, NH & MA. Lidia does amazing research. Just like McPherson she is also encouraging me to sail away from dealing with long term nuclear waste issues. Can't make any real progress in the next 15 years.

    The rate at which the Permian era volcanoes put CO2 into the atmosphere naturally caused an acidification event, and that rate is very similar to the rate at which humans are emitting CO2 into the atmosphere right now.

    The oceans can absorb carbon emissions safely, but at higher levels the CO2 starts to change the chemistry of the oceans.

    A report by the International Council for Science released in 2013 warned that ocean acidity could increase 170% by the end of the century due to carbon emissions (23% by 2030) which would have serious effects on marine biodiversity as well as the economies of communities that rely on them.

    Professor Wood says these new findings are a stark warning: "First, it's a similar rate of CO2 put into the atmosphere as today. Second, in this case we can show that it corresponds to the oceans definitely going acidic, and thirdly it corresponds to a major mass extinction. Fourthly that mass extinction is happening somewhere you really don't want mass extinctions to happen which is in the most biodiverse ecosystems on the planet that live on the shallow tropical environment."

    Please read what I said above to Shep & Satish tonight. We honestly have to think about the actual conditions Earth will be in for the next stage of evolution. Not even the most urgent work will get the reactors removed in time. We are truly entering a phase of rapid change where only a species that is tolerant of radiation will be able to adapt to the nuclear materials we will not be able to maintain. Sort of interesting to know what will inherit the Earth unless there is some unexpected divine intervention. Thinking local & global while we still can. We are all equal, including the way we fool ourselves, about time & the actual chemical balance of near future habitat.

  62. Thanks for your reply, Mark. I'm a glutton for attention, and this is my fix for tonight. ;-)

    I'm amused at this, however:

    "A report by the International Council for Science released in 2013 warned that ocean acidity could increase 170% by the end of the century due to carbon emissions (23% by 2030) which would have serious effects on marine biodiversity as well as the economies of communities that rely on them."

    End of what century? Or maybe I'm following McPherson too closely, and don't think this can continue anywhere near that long. OTOH, he gave NM about 4 years two years ago, I didn't buy that then, and don't at all buy that now. But if you look at R. Callaghan's statistics (which I take somewhat seriously) there's far more unraveling than the climate. Gail Tverberg on thinks the economy will conk out before anything else. When you put all the factors together you see that something's gotta give.

    Then I attend the county meeting this evening, where everyone is merry and bright and there's nothing wrong with the world. I realize that with just a little diminishing of self control, my absolutely weakest suit, I could be using swear words and insulting commission, and would have to be led away in disgrace, probably to be arrested. I appear to be ill suited to community work, being intensely arrogant in relation to the ubiquitous lack of comprehension as to the state of things. I disrespect the formalities, seeing them as ridiculous displays of the freaking emperor's clothes. But I shouldn't get started...

    I'm glad you take the time to keep in touch, for I easily piss off everybody. Peter Wadhams talked about taking carbon out of the atmosphere. I like the idea, although he proposed no way to do it. BTW, before I forget, the issue that got me going to commissioner meetings won today. I was a good supporter, but used it to try and highlight larger, more systemic issues of land use. But nobody sees what's coming.

    Take care, Mark. Always good to hear you.

  63. ARTLEADS - I'm so sorry for the way I sound sometimes. Depends on the time of day/night and my level of concern over specific things in progress. This is also an excellent first draft spot to share unfiltered stuff that goes into much more dry & official sounding reports that do include all sorts of consequences.

    You & I have more success with local & smaller scale land issues.

    Lidia has helped set up a meeting in Rochester Vt at Sandy Brooks bakery & bookstore 30 W. Main street. 2pm Tue Aug 25. I will be there with 2 other "officials" involved in the alternate planning for transport and removal of nuclear waste. Of course other materials are also involved in stages of decommissioning. Emergency routes. Road closures. High security teams to deal with threats & other potential hazardous conditions.

    No wonder it takes decades to get anything done. Worse yet, IMO, it gets prolonged for jobs and many other economic reasons. Others profit at every point as we move along.

    As you well know....If much higher powers really cared to get it done they would find more scientific and/or much larger teams of human effort to get it done.

    Honestly, I do care about safety in the Vermont region while I have a minor part in planning. I can't even imagine what roads, trains & air transport measures will be safe while rod removal proceeds a decade from now. Impacts of future storm floods? Forest fires? Super blizzards? Trying to map all sorts of possibilities & disaster containment measures.

    Talking next to Guy about November dates in D.C. since I just received approval for him to lecture at a major science museum.

  64. I like what you say about using this site as a drafting laboratory. And I thank Satish for making that possible.

    I had not thought much about your meeting with Lidia--she seemed so skeptical about the premise of your work--but now I see your invitation as a stroke of genius. Despite the fact that we agree on little, I see Lidia as someone who does not stoop to pettiness and who honestly upholds truth (as far as she can see it). She's also a brilliant intellect.

    If she's with you so far, I can only hope she'll lend her considerable talents to thinking through such matters as "alternate planning for transport and removal of nuclear waste...(and) other materials...involved in stages of decommissioning," including such issues as emergency routes, road closures, security threats "& other potential hazardous conditions."

    It's inconceivable that the military isn't doing much of this. It's the sort of thing they know how to do. Maybe nowadays they use power point mapping. In my youth, it was large maps that covered the wall, marked up with pens and punctuated with pushpins. BUT YOU MUST HAVE MAPPING.

    In my area, there's a man who teaches at UNM. He's an ecologist, and perhaps several other things too. So thoroughly grounded in all aspects of the landscape, I could hardly describe it. Ecology, history, politics, you name it. Awesome. Mindboggling. He even talks about the Mexican cougar (?) migration route up through our county and beyond.

    I mention this by way of recommending such expertise on your team. There are academics who know the landscapes (in most places) in marvelous ways. Planners, Public Works Departments, Departments of Transportation... The academics might be more congenial to deal with first, however. BTW, there's a national wilderness trails (I think) network. They will certainly be active in VT. You need to be exquisitely sensitive to the wildlife.

    Is night time, calm-season removal best? Does a hazmat truck and radiation-medicine truck form part of a convoy? (I'm getting the notion that portable "hospitals"--sophisticated medical facilities that can go anywhere--is the thing for whatever future we have.)

  65. Excited to report that McPherson just replied to my e-mail. Happy with D.C. dates so I can work on booking his flights and much more.

    For the VT matter, I'm particularly sensitive to wildlife matters. We have extensive high resolution satellite maps but out of respect to the land I think it is important to do an old fashioned site visit. It has been a gift to gain Lidia's insights. She provided me with local VT news links about livestock & animal matters I had not considered.

    Most will be done by train, however we must consider all the other elements and options. FEMA & National Guard will be involved. Thank you for the tip to double check the hiking trail along route 100. I must add that to security measure report.

    State Dept feed today: fact the overwhelming majority of research supports the reality of climate change — a 2013 review of nearly 12,000 scientific articles published between 1991 and 2011 found that of those that took a position on the issue, 97.1 percent endorsed the idea that climate change was real and human-caused. The study concluded that papers disputing climate change were “a vanishingly small proportion of the published research.”

    Making Americans aware of this fact can have real effects. A study published earlier this year found that informing people of the scientific consensus on climate change “causes a significant increase in the belief that climate change is (a) happening, (b) human-caused and (c) a worrisome problem. In turn, changes in these key beliefs lead to increased support for public action.”

    The process worked on both Democrats and Republicans — in fact, information about the consensus had an even bigger effect on Republicans (though the study’s authors acknowledge this may be because Democrats were more likely to believe in human-caused climate change already).

    “Even a single, simple description of the scientific consensus significantly shifted public perceptions of the consensus and subsequent climate change beliefs and desire for action,” write the study’s authors. “A concerted campaign to inform the public about the scientific consensus would ideally involve numerous exposures to the key message, conveyed by a variety of trusted messengers.”

    Unfortunately, climate change deniers are doing the exact opposite — repeatedly misinforming the public by painting climate change as scientifically controversial, when in fact it’s anything but.

  66. I know only too well your sensitivity to wildlife. Sorry if I came off otherwise. Just trying to hurry and "get something out." No doubt, you'll relay the particulars of McPherson's DC talk to NBL. I'll be sending that to my State Dep friend. Maybe your quote above will add enticement to attend.

  67. Today (August 12th, 2015 -- Wednesday) on Fresh Air (Terry Gross), interview (Brian Christie) regarding elephant poaching-slaughter for ivory profits used to finance terror around the world. The story will be on the cover of National Geo - September issue.


    Talk about geoengineering!

    I don't have the foggiest idea as to the feasibility of liquefying CO2 (so it could fall like rain). I couldn't even describe CO2. But in the spirit of putting ideas out there, while we still can, even if we know zilch about the subject, just in case...

    How do you get atmospheric CO2 in a state where it can be liquefied, perhaps falling as rain?

    How this all started was an image in my mind of shooting a laser beam up in the sky, and that liquefying the CO2. And now I quickly back away before anyone reaches for his/her weapon!

  68. ARTLEADS - your reading my mind. I just read an extensive review why Carbon Molecule evaporation will not work on a large enough scale to be worth funding. And of course every chemical application has side effects.

    The only reason I approve of upgraded Tardigrades is because humans will be gone and the massive amount of enriched radiation we leave will already mutate evolution so badly that we ought to be kind enough to give the tardigrades a better fighting chance for survival.

    I am 100% for your vision of "totally buy into my (natural and behavioral) land use ideas. No emphasis on technology there." I love it but the fact of the extensive amount of radiation remains that must be dissipated before any native style tribes can live in the ruins. Worse yet all the most extensive NIH studies show that almost no life form can re-generate in an atmosphere of dense radiation.

    Take away the bio-chemical reality facing Earth then of course we can play Avatar tribe on some other pale blue dot across the galaxy.

    Thank you for you very kind comment on NBL yesterday. Yes I will stay very focused on Nuclear safety when I dept for Vt tomorrow, because maybe it will matter for future generations. God knows the Heisenberg uncertainty principle still prevails. So some miracle might alter the current course rushing toward mass extinction & radioactive ruins.

    Dept of Energy Carbon Capture Program consists of two core research Technology Areas: (1) Post-Combustion Capture; and (2) Pre-Combustion Capture. Post-combustion capture is primarily applicable to fossil fuel based systems such as conventional pulverized coal (PC)-fired power plants, where the fuel is burned with air in a boiler to produce steam that drives a turbine/generator to produce electricity. The carbon dioxide (CO2) is captured from the flue gas after fuel combustion. Pre-combustion capture is applicable to integrated gasification combined cycle (IGCC) power plants, where solid fuel is converted into gaseous components ("syngas") by applying heat under pressure in the presence of steam and oxygen. In this case, the carbon is captured from the syngas before completing the combustion process. In addition, the program is starting to consider the use of carbon capture technologies to natural fired gas power plants and industrial processes that utilize fossil energy for manufacturing fuels and chemicals.

    Just got off line with McPherson minutes ago.

  69. ARTLEADS - here is a public portion of my plans in progress with Guy. Pentagon City Marriott subway line in the underground shopping level. 1 stop direct to the U.S. Dept of Energy & Capitol. please go to their web site to see the presentation room I am booking. Possibly you would be interested in speaking on both dates Sat Nov 14 (4-6pm) and Monday 16th at 2pm. What would you prefer?

    We have a Fedex acct to ship your power-point materials to my capitol hill office address previously provided. I have a mobile case & assistant to display your books for sale and promotional items. When I return from dealing with Nuclear decommissioning problems in Vermont. I will provide draft examples of our promo ideas & our Dept of Homeland Security introduction we would like to make before your lecture. I will also need your TV taping approval. My next letter will include the half day professional crew TV taping schedule I would like to do with you around the capitol. In 98 I had Charlton Heston standing in front of the Natural History Museum for his opening introduction for our PBS American Environment TV special. Maybe you would consider standing in the exact same location so we could cross cut from a ghost image of Heston to you pointing out new facts about environmental destruction & the progressing 6th mass extinction.

    Wed. Nov 18 Free hotel shuttle to Regan airport 8:45am (omitting further potential flight choices offered to Guy for his security)

    ARTLEADS how do you like the big event featured on the Koshland web site?

  70. Hi Mark,

    I am deeply impressed by your organizational skills. I'm too fixated on my every impression and sensation to do what you do. Mine is a flaw some artists share. I applaud the extra measures taken for Guy's security.

    I don't understand what you're asking about . Would Guy's event be listed under "Events?" A spare computer setup might be a plan B.

    Thanks a million for the technical explanation on CO2 capture (or whatever it is). I'm too limited for it to make much sense. Maybe my projections should be placed in the same category as those from lunatics and infants. There ought to be a place for all sorts of off-the-wall suggestions to be routinely examined by complex-systems scientists, mystics and others. At a time like this we can't discard any suggestion (or anything of any sort). We are at a place of mystery, and don't know what is useful and what is not. Yet, the show must go on and rules must be kept. There's "normal," which must be honored, and there's "completely-nuts," which must also be honored, and neither must interfere with the other. IMHO.

  71. Thanks Art - You've been a help with a few of my projects. It was your idea to get the tax break for fuel storage near nuclear sites. I also followed your instructions to reach out to all sorts of communities near the plant. Lidia is an exact example of co-operation. Others you would not know but my team has taken working with the public much more to heart than we did in all the years before.

    When I retire and sail back toward Miami this December I will back in the carbon zero mode. However most of the Geo-engineering projects I have stalled and delayed will get approved by others under more pressure.

    Politics and job action required that I approved of somethings. I either choose really simple safe stuff like fast tracking Faraday cages around the emergency generators. Or far off beyond human time frame things like the radiation microbes. My big effort was to deny anything risky to our environment in the next decade. Sort of glad I will be gone but in absolute reality most of the contractors are in a rush to push all sorts of technology. I simply can't feel guilty because I had to choose some of the ones that involved far future genetics. Easy for people to point fingers at me because I have been honest "Transparent" about the process. This administration promised more transparency, Nuclear Zero & climate action rather than talk that only covered for actions like Arctic oil moving forward. SATISH thanks for this forum as I must depart yet again for weeks working on a nuclear issue with no truly safe solution in sight. When I am replaced I'm fairly certain much worse projects will speed forward with less safety analysis. My best to OGF & Shep.

  72. Thanks for the kind words. Have a very successful VT mission! My best to Lidia.

    I doubt that the future safety operations won't have been constrained by your work, although we can't see the way right now.

  73. A harmless, commonsense, wise project. I'd like to see more along these lines. Natural.

    Learning from Bacteria about Social Networks

    Toward the end of the bacteria video, we see the ingenious way in which the swarm organizes its shape and trajectory as it pursues scattered prey. It is absolutely brilliant spatial maneuvering. I can't quite explain it now, but I see the need to develop "rural clustering," (unlike what goes by that term in these parts). It's a way to incorporate scattered little rural structures into a new congealing glob. As with the bacteria swarms, the glob is rounded--no severe lines--in common with natural landscape.Perimeter trees and foliage further augment the softness effected by the roundedness of the globs. I actually believe that this congealing of nearby but scattered rural structures makes the surrounding landscape more visible and enjoyable, possibly more effective for wildlife too. But I can't prove it till it's tried. I've never seen it tried.

    1. Art,

      The article I read said they spent like 30 something million to prevent evaporation that wud total enuf water for a full year for 8,000 people AND the birds that came up to the pond to drink just looked at the balls like WTF is this crap. That seems to me to be so small as not to be even worth the effort.

      Besides, El Nino is on its way and the rains will overwhelm and cause all kinds of havoc like horrific mudslides etc. Hell, I think I saw where one big rain fairly recently destroyed the main bridge from Phoenix to La. I see no way out, at all. Besides, besides, Big Al Gore, the inventor of climate change is thinking about running for President. The man must need the money and lord he looks older than me but a lot heavier. I'm skinny as hell these days because I work outside doing manual labor around our place and sweat like crazy. A man in town the other day said, "Shep, I didn't recognize you." My sister noticed too. Oh well.

    2. Hi Shep,

      I liked the solution because it wasn't high tech--just simple physics. It's just one tiny example of what could be done everywhere, but isn't done.

      I see this as the worst of times and also the best of times. It's the first time ever that self interest coincides with doing the right thing on a global scale. The human species must straighten up or die. It's a simple choice. It's like nature (and all the rest) is saying to us, "Up against the wall, motherfucker; this is a stickup!" And if we don't hop to right lively, we'll get what we get. I don't give a shit myself (being an old fart and three quarters into the grave already). The implication when I speak to the younger, less wary, is that it's gonna hurt you more than it hurts me if you don't do the right thing. I keep saying my piece, and will keep doing so until I can't. No sweat. No tears. I only do what I like doing.

      Don't work too hard. It's both true and not true that you can't change the world. :-)

    3. Hey Artleads,

      I believe in doing what you like to do wholeheartedly, however, I have come to the conclusion, FOR ME, and for my children to, shut up, relax and enjoy what we can and that it's over no matter what we do. I like to piddle around here making things nice and pretty even tho I am wasting my time in the long run and even with chemicals and burning diesel fuel because it doesn't matter anymore.. Keeps me from being depressed, although the day is coming when we will all have to decide how to die. Might be in combat with the neighbors or against the sheeted ones! "We just don't know".

      Just heard a really interesting program on the radio about an author that has written a book called "Dark Places of the Earth", about a famous slave ship. He said, "Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness says, 'London was once one of the dark places of the Earth.'. I wanted to communicate that the dark places aren't Africa, the dark places are the hole of the slave ship and the dark place is a court room in Savannah, the dark place is the chamber of the Supreme Court.” [If you look at a slave ship drawing indicating the placement of the poor slaves, there is hardly room to move an inch. Can u imagine? Do not see how any made it? But this was done for efficiency and MORE profits.]

      I believe, Art, that most of the earth is now a dark place. Golf, Court Rooms, Grand Juries, the NFL, the Corporate world, all governments, all 'leaders' etc etc etc.

      Keep doing what u are doing. I LIKE IT.

    4. Thanks a bunch, Shep! I keep death in mind too. It's better than many other prospects. But the sheeted ones should be cautious. Kill millions of blacks here, and blacks in Africa and elsewhere kill millions of whites there. Tit for tat.

      What puzzles me is how the well educated, "respectable" white people are sauntering around without a clue. Of course, being from the third world (which was treated as a dark place), I'm taken in by them while you understand their bullshit only too well. Despite that, NTE is the first thing ever to free me from the trance of subservience. How fucking great is that! And all my ideas that the well dressed, well educated, left brain, establishment people dismissed can now be expressed with amusement. It's like, "Make my day. Which part of climate change don't you get?"

      So challenging the status quo step by step is a liberating experience. As long as it lasts...

    5. Copy that good buddy - as they used to say on the cb's. YEEEEE Haaaaaaa!

  74. I just received this for M.I.T meeting tomorrow morning: A "regional" nuclear war, fought between emerging nuclear weapon states with relatively primitive nuclear weapons, would create a Nuclear Haze which would quickly lead to deadly global climate change. A large nuclear war, fought with thousands of modern thermonuclear weapons, would create either Nuclear Twilight or Nuclear Darkness. Extreme Ice Age weather conditions would result, and would trigger a mass extinction event that would extinguish most complex forms of life on Earth, including human life.

    The darkness and global cooling predicted to result from nuclear war (along with massive radioactive fallout, pyrotoxins, and ozone depletion) was first described in 1983 as "nuclear winter". These initial studies estimated the smoke from nuclear firestorms would stay in the stratosphere for about a year. However in 2006, researchers using modern computer models found the smoke would form a global stratospheric smoke layer that would last for ten years.

    The longevity of such a smoke layer would allow much smaller quantities of smoke than first predicted in the 1980’s to have a great impact upon both global climate and atmospheric ozone which blocks ultraviolet (UV) light. Thus scientists predict that even a "regional" nuclear conflict could produce enough smoke to significantly cool average global surface temperatures, reduce precipitation, and vastly increase the amount of dangerous UV light reaching the surface of Earth.

    A nuclear war fought between India and Pakistan would produce enough smoke to make the blue skies of Earth appear grey. Although the amount of sunlight blocked by this Nuclear Haze would not produce the profound darkening of the Earth predicted in a nuclear winter (after a nuclear war fought with thousands of strategic nuclear weapons), the deadly climate change created by a regional conflict would likely have devastating global effects upon all human populations, through its shortening of growing seasons and corresponding negative effects upon global agriculture.

  75. But the things that are ACTUALLY (for decades, as we speak) killing the planet are the things we take for granted, business as usual. These demons have been hiding in plain sight, and are delighted when we remove them from scrutiny and think instead of asteroid strikes or UFOs...

  76. Art...,

    Reply to you here rather than on NBL. I do not understand very much except what I read. I have been fascinated with Cuba, Marti, Che' for a long time because they walk the walk, unerringly. It is interesting to me that NO ONE knows much about CUBA. It is probably, to my mind, the best nation ever. Maybe it is because it is so small, but that belies the problem of defense. How?????

    This writer is Susan Babbitt, . I think she hits the nail on the head. I would like to ask her to write about the CIA angle and their seeming failure to topple Castro???? AND, the CIA and their attempts to interfere NOW. Propaganda is fierce right now and I think Castro must be dead so they are essentially leaderless so many he was a man that can not be duplicated.

    I am willing to bet he has NO Swiss bank account and NO property to speak of. Seems to me that everyone around him buys into his ideas. They all make sense. He use(d) to (may still) write articles for Z MAGAZINE, based in Woods Hole, Mass. where Chomsky, Zinn and all the good people contributed.

    "We Just Don't Know"


  77. Thanks Shep. I sent Susan B a short message. I hope to learn more about her Caribbean work.

  78. Japan warned on Saturday that a volcano 50 km (31 miles) from a just-restarted nuclear reactor is showing signs of increased activity, and said nearby residents should prepare to evacuate. Sakurajima, a mountain on the southern island of Kyushu, is one of Japan’s most active volcanoes and erupts almost constantly. But a larger than usual eruption could be in the offing, an official at the Japan Meteorological Agency said. “There is the danger that stones could rain down on areas near the mountain’s base, so we are warning residents of those areas to be ready to evacuate if needed,” the official added. The agency also said it had raised the warning level on the peak, 990 km southwest of Tokyo, to an unprecedented 4, for prepare to evacuate, from 3. Roughly 100 people could be affected.
    Japan on Tuesday restarted a reactor at the Sendai nuclear plant, some 50 km from Sakurajima. It is the first reactor to be restarted under new safety standards put in place after the 2011 Fukushima disaster. Critics have long pointed out that the plant is also located near five giant calderas, crater-like depressions formed by past eruptions, with the closest one some 40 km away. Still, the Nuclear Regulation Authority (NRA) has said the chance of major volcanic activity during the lifespan of the Sendai plant is negligible. Two years ago, Sakurajima shot ash some 5,000 meters into the air.

    1. Hi Mark,

      Some quick thoughts that can't do justice to all you've shared, or to the disappointment re Guy's DC presentations. I'm glad everyone here is an adult, and will take what I say with the needed grain of salt:

      - We are not here to lose.

      - The game is not to effect any external event, but to not succumb ourselves to others' dysfunctional nonsense.

      - Activities like reopening the the Sendai nuclear plant seem like antics of out-of-control children who manage to get away with disorderly and dangerous behavior. (They laugh at the inept teacher/parent who doesn't make them straighten the fuck up.)

      - This is not your doing. You needn't be distressed, for distress is only appropriate due to one's own "misdeeds."

      - Saving the external world is not our responsibility; saving our inner sense of honorable behavior is.

      - The appropriate frame of mind when all this is ensuing is a cold, controlled and deadly rage/intolerance. No more fucking fun and games.

      - An authoritarian stance is likely the only appropriate one for addressing the universal miscreant government behavior.

      - When one is clear about the above, one can feel strong.

      - Collective action that fits who you are is important; nothing else.

      So good to see you here again!

    2. Thank you so much ART. I'm going to print what you listed above and keep it forever in my wallet where ever I go. Really good reminder. I'm a big fan of Ryudard Kipling "IF" and also the phrases in "Deserata" What you just said above is so so true & touching. I'm in tears and not afraid to say it. Oh well I'm also angry so I might go have a Bud Nye moment on NBL....but tomorrow is another closer to my next sail away....and I will forgive all politics and pollution in time.

      Oh I just got a good e-mail reply from Babajingo. I wrote her a personal letter about calling me a crackpot - yet - I started with the acceptance that she was right about the way I was sounding like a crackpot Snowden. Of course I was just mad at my D.C. effort being canceled after they told me yes to proceed with Guy presentations 3 times !!! I might put some of their backstabbing letter to me here just for public record. Sorry I just have to get this out of my system tonight after my big reprimand today. Honestly, I was somewhat wrong in some of my actions being critical of empire. Guy is free to say things about empire. But I am a Hippocratic unless I truly believe the end is so near that I'd actually sacrifice my 15 year pension. Carpe Diem. Truly, only love remains. I understand that because I do love and miss the connections here when I'm away. Of course I will focus on nuclear safety in November rather than using that work time to host Guy in DC.

  79. Lidia was great to meet with in person. Wish I could meet each of you. Really sorry that I might have had that opportunity with Satish. When you meet in real life the way we say things here makes more sense. You can hear the voice tones and read the face. ARTLEADS I really liked your lazer vapor idea. I'd never shoot you down my friend. I was just posting facts I could copy from our Dept of Energy site involving actual carbon sequestration methods currently in progress.

    Pretty good progress in Vermont. God it's so lovely and green up there. Peace of mind. Love to all. Amazed that Lidia read all sorts of stuff here. I was really touched that she remembered my heartbreak trying to save the old oak table. Art & energy in those antiques that experienced so much in their sturdy table leg sort of way. Maybe what we do say here is not as lost as cave paintings in France.

    I wonder where Mo flows ??? Was it a nice summer for Sabine's garden? Is Old Growth Forest harvesting and playing with puppy man in the Autum sun? Is Satish at peace with his pilgrimage to the country. Hi SHEP :)

  80. Mark,

    The 4 to one against you, Mark, was inevitable for protecting their good lives and legacies at all costs. All American stuff. "The Right Stuff." As all here know, to be a Socratic 'individual' is quite impossible for most folk. It has been for me in so many ways.

    Funny that the beach of doom is a real small island because this is the only place where justice is foremost. Well, when u think about it, KUKU really is. It is also the one place I have dreamed of visiting and participating in for most of my life.


  81. Thank You Shep, I got a really nice personal note from Guy about the pain of "following the evidence". Guy sort of had the same battle before he left UofA.

    I loved what you said about THINKING. Especially science thinking. A mind can be a dangerous splitting atoms about that fact.

  82. I saved on the advisory budget for many years and checked with my contractors several times, However, now I am truly embarrassed. They told me twice they were fine with your exact message & presentation on video.

    I am so very sorry. A staff assistant to Dan Utech the chief climate advisor to the White House has taken me to task over my requisition order for tour air, hotel & auditorium reserved at the science center.

    A secretary with some power has taken a huge critical issue with my "Consulting with a eco-terrorist & acclaimed anarchist."

    Now the entire team is somewhat afraid of you Guy because they all want you to provide acceptable "solutions" at the end of your presentation.

    Of course, "Die in Peace" is the truth. Can't escape the facts of your crucial data collection, however, everyone here is focused on contracts to invent carbon scrubbers, geo-engineering research & questioning methane levels.

    The simple common sense solution to stop, relax, reduce is not the answer they want.

    For carbon tax reasons and in order to push other projects Obama is fine with getting your really dire message across to the public yet it is forbidden to tell people to stop working.

    Your message on The National Geographic channel & PBS could be used to prepare people and possibly reduce riots, otherwise both Dan & Leslie decided that your "ending" does not offer the solution they want.

    Leslie went behind my back while I was sent off to the Vermont Yankee nuclear plant decommissioning project. Unfortunately nobody here really believes the hottest year trend will continue because El Nino is to blame rather than pollution.

    My enthusiasm for your presentation now only equals embarrassment. Monday morning I face humiliation in a review meeting because I must recant saying controversial things against industrial empire. If I am fired I lose 15 years of pension 5 months short of my retirement plan to start sailing toward South America.

    Many many thanks again for everything you do. I am so sorry this Titanic system thinks it is unsinkable. Hopefully it is a form of honor that the truth of your message disturbs people on the top deck. D.C. is clinging to denial like John Jacob Astor did when he refused to go out toward the cold lifeboats. With over 400 nuclear reactors bound to meltdown, critical support and habitat will be gone. Sadly even most experts in my field at the NRC can't fathom the fact that we will not find the solutions they expect.

    Much respect along with my apology.

  83. Babajingo,

    Out of due respect to Guy, he would not agree to come to D.C. if he had not talked to my office and had extensive info.

    Personal e-mails and much work went into planning meetings that were above the level of myself simply renting a conference room or coffee shop talk.

    When you mentioned doing a protest in front of the White House I even gave you my D.C. address. Rare that anyone is as open as I am. What you said is hurtful, however, yes I am dumb to say anything about acting "Snowden" style out of anger. My security level is low anyway, and the NSA does track everything I say. I could only share analysis provided to many contractors in bio-medical, Energy & Climate concerns which are inter-connected. They are too big to fail & they are not very concerned with the level of info we can share with family & friends.

    Possibly if it is not in violation of Guy's privacy I could forward you the first e-mail he sent me. Guy made the initial contact about doing a presentation in D.C. He has know me since my father was an Arizona Congressman and I took Guy's class at UofA over 17 years ago. Even my personal resume was posted on line by Bob S. I have produced a PBS Environmental series in 1997 that was hosted by Heston, Redford, Julia-Louis Dreyfus & Ted Danson. All of this has been on NBL this past year.

    Sorry that I am stressed and concerned by issues that look very serious when you actually work and read the inside reports. You are welcome to copy any part of this letter and put it on NBL.

    Otherwise, my biggest lesson is learning not to deal with the general public, even though I felt fairly safe to take that risk since I will retire soon. Not much to lose anyway if Guy & Paul and many others working with climate and/or nuclear data prove to be true. Then again maybe the real crackpots are us who are too concerned about dire data and a dangerous military industrial complex. In my work review today, I agreed to go to N.I.H. stress counseling this week. I was strongly assured that 99% of the world must be correct that nothing major is going to happen in the near future with war or climate change. The only thing that needs to change is my radical level of concern. Otherwise I have been a perfect and trusted systems person who never made comments. Until now I was wise enough to stay off the radar for over a decade in government service.

    Lidia has meet me in person and Old Growth Forrest has photos of me at the White House. Obviously, I have no reason to prove anything to you since I already invited you to my office when I thought you were a nice person who wanted to bring your climate concerns to D.C.

    Until I start anger therapy I hope nuclear war does happen by accident this Sept. I've very sorry for the radiation that will massively effect evolution for thousands of years, but hopefully the radiation will stop the cancer of human existence from ever spreading & consuming Earth again. We keep building reactors and genetic bio-war weapons. The day will come when humans will get exactly what their taxes and careless attitudes have spent billions paying for. Only the half-life of extreme radiation will remain!!!

  84. Hi Mark,

    A little technical confusion here, so I hope you see this. I'm sorry for all the cruel behavior on NBL. I have no idea why so many behave that way. Robin Datta can go both ways, but I'm very much in step with one of his latest posts, repeating his views of acting without expectations.

    "Until I start anger therapy I hope nuclear war does happen by accident this Sept. I've very sorry for the radiation that will massively effect evolution for thousands of years, but hopefully the radiation will stop the cancer of human existence from ever spreading & consuming Earth again. We keep building reactors and genetic bio-war weapons. The day will come when humans will get exactly what their taxes and careless attitudes have spent billions paying for. Only the half-life of extreme radiation will remain!!!"

    And this is WONDERFUL! Life is so very strange, because the attitude you show here, that I generally live by, is the most freeing thing I've ever experienced. As irritated as I tend to get with Daniel, there may be something to what he says about *accepting* NTE. Accepting NTE may mean that you throw away all care and worry (although I haven't picked up that joy from Daniel). OK, I accept NTE. So what's the worst thing you can throw at me? Been there, done that. But I spend all my time (happily, if too obsessively), keeping me from sleep, first thing on waking, thinking of a way out of the box. And the way out of the box can only be found when its secret is irrelevant? When there is no hope? It becomes a discipline, trying to decipher a koan... To paraphrase the last line by Fred Astaire in Finnian's Rainbow, "It's hopeless, but it's not serious". A little voice in my head said to say: Have a beautiful day! :-)

  85. Guy is a true and fine martyr and so are you Mark. The world, at least at the top echelons, are crazy as bat guano. That is the way it has always been apparently. But, science has killed us, I suppose.

    Anyway, sail on peoples. It was kinda fun while it lasted since I was a white privileged guy who grew up in the fifties when there were NO problems for MY race.

    Only Love Remains.


  86. Despite Mark's mistreatment and pain, I don't see what happened as altogether bad. It seems to have gone exactly to plan.

    DC officials are living in a different world from the rest of us. Given that DC drives BAU all over the world a challenge to its paradigm, as Guy would offer, would have to be existentially upsetting. And if Mark can hang on (and not have them come down even harder on him) he will have actually "succeeded."

    A rough guess is that the original "approval" (for Guy's talk) was based on the assumption that Guy was an interesting character who would push them a bit but not absolutely smash their cookie cart to smithereens. Then they figured out that this is precisely what Guy would do. But they haven't figured out that this would actually be better for them. It's too big a step to expect in one sweep.

    It's a subtle and gradual process. Maybe they still see Mark as one of them, who just got a little overwrought and could do with a little counselling. So far so good. But a time bomb has been thrown into their midst, and they can't ignore it. (And they can't blame Mark for it, since they don't think that comprehensively.) The next time DC floods they will remember. Climate disasters are actually on OUR side. Mark can sit back a little now and let the climate do ITS work. That is a respectful way to see nature. It is working with us (us being the dominant culture that needs to change). No need to worry. The ice is breaking off the ice shelves all by itself. Let it be.

    Contrary to appearances, America is not all powerful. In this hyper interconnected world, it is highly susceptible to global pressure. I doubt that DC feels that susceptibility inside the cocoon where Guy would have spoken. WHERE it will feel more pressure is where all planetary eyes will be watching: at the 2015 climate summit in Paris.

    That conference needs to launch a Marshall Plan for the planet that looks at climate change as part of a destructive (now global) SYSTEM! But since Kumbaya is unrealistic, a minimalist project to tie off some of the hemorrhaging within the system might be something to aim for.

    1. Part II

      Others can do this so much better than I. But let's say an exceedingly rough presentation of cause and effect went like this:


      Climate change is real.
      Ice is melting
      Sea level is rising
      Blah blah blah


      The global economic system is unstable
      It is based on infinite growth, which doesn't work on a finite planet
      But the economic system can't be willfully ended precipitously


      - Climate deterioration is costly and destabilizing, so we need to pay attention to mitigation.
      - Economic decline is going to remove the possibility of addressing emergencies caused by climate change and power plant meltdown.
      - Decisive minimalist action is needed now.


      - While it lasts, we need to sacrifice BAU in structurally manageable ways.
      - Part of that requires allocating global resources to safeguarding ALL nuclear plants.
      - Part of that requires setting up a global land use planning program--creating more resourceful hub communities that can take better care of themselves after collapse.
      - Part of that requires special land use planning around nuclear plants worldwide.

      Guy had talked about attending the conference, but it sounds as if he is winding down such commitments, especially such expensive ones. Others like Bill McKibben, Naomi Klein or Pope Francis might have an agenda somewhat in line with the above (even if Guy might not). DC would do well to align itself with the Pope et al to try, selectively, with great focus, to move the needle somewhat. In that case, I wouldn't see Mark's activities as inconsequential.

  87. Mark,

    Congratulations on getting Faraday cages around fuel containments! This is a solid achievement, of which you can be proud! Now to see if other nations have the same...

  88. ARTLEADS - Perfect analysis of exactly what went on behind the scenes here in D.C. while I was in VT. PLEASE PLEASE copy and post what you said above on NBL. I would be so honored and I think Guy would like it too. I'm doing some private e-mails but I'm supposed to stay away from NBL for awhile. Gotta quit breaking the rules. They even want this good worker bee to sign on for 2 more years. But I'm afraid there is a nuclear zero chance of that. Heck running for Congress would have been more fun if I was going to seriously consider staying in D.C. longer.

    I can do much more for the environment on a simple local level by returning to the national park service in Costa Rica for 2016. Ranger Marco's old cabin on in the wildlife refuge awaits. I'm so happy they asked me to sail on down.

    PARIS report in progress from my friend at NOAA:

    Current targets for 2030 would make the 2 C goal "almost infeasible", Roland found.

    The level would instead be closer to "2.9-3.1 C by 2100," Bill Hare of Climate Analytics, a CAT contributor, told AFP.

    The authors said the current level of ambition should not be locked into the long-awaited Paris agreement -- the first that will commit all the world's nations to slashing CO2 and other planet-harming greenhouse gases.

    It was important that the pact, due to enter into force in 2020, included wording on narrowing the gap between what is needed and what has been promised, they warned, as diplomats met in Bonn for the penultimate round of official negotiations before the crucial November 30-December 11 Paris conference.

    "It is clear that if the Paris meeting locks in present climate commitments for 2030, holding warming below 2 C could essentially become infeasible, and 1.5 C beyond reach," said Hare.

  89. Here's one reason (especially the bottom link) why government is important. And again, thank you so much Mark for all you have accomplished in that arena:

    My comment:

    This is an extremely timely article. Nothing is so mindless, fast-moving or destructive as sprawl. Almost nobody seems to understand the urgency of the issue, however.

    Since pockets of green within the already-sprawling city serves one function, and a sharp urban boundary where massive green space unfolds serves another, it seems that we need as much of both as is humanly possible. Therefore:

    - Stop all "greenfields" development NOW.

    - Make new construction "augmentive" to existing construction through additions above, beneath or closely surrounding or adjoining what is built already. This could be called "nook and cranny" development.

    - Stop routine demolition of existing buildings that now is a lazy and wasteful way to pursue new development.


    And here's a related article:

  90. This action item should be included:

    - Connect and green the unbuilt spaces as part of a radical greening program for the city.

  91. Mark;

    Do you know Paul Gunter? I have just read an essay about the Nuclear Industry. It is crushing. I am weeping uncontrollably. How could this happen?

    As Guy says in his most recent post: "Sociopaths assume control, regardless of the desires of the populace, in any civilization."


    1. “Study after study in Europe has shown a clear rise in childhood leukemia around operating nuclear power facilities, yet the NRC has decided to hide this vital information from the American public,” said Cindy Folkers, radiation and health specialist at Beyond Nuclear.

    2. SHEP, I really admire Paul Gunter at Beyond Nuclear. I'm so sorry you are crying. That is my Anon abstract above from the very disturbing article.

  92. ARTLEADS - "Homeopathic" landscaping around nuclear plants. According to Dadachova at Einstein College NY, the fungi Cryptococcus transforms radiation into energy. Researchers believe that melanin is present to protect fungi from stress,such as radiation, and that certain species use this molecule for metabolic reactions. They discovered that exposure to radiation caused the melanin in these species to change shape. Dadachova tells me in an e-mail the most amazing aspect of her finding is that this process is an alternative to photosynthesis, “with melanin playing the role of chlorophyll and ionizing radiation.” Melanin converts the energy from the radiation into chemical energy used by the fungi, she says. “It took at least two decades and the work of several research groups to determine the mechanism of photosynthesis.” This suggests that nature itself has produced yet another “alternative energy” scenario that is completely unexpected. The uses of this discovery could include a disposal method for nuclear waste.

    Dr. Raskin of Rutgers University’s Biotechnology was a member of the original task force sent to examine the Chernobyl site) found hemp reduces soil toxicity. Phytoremediation is the process whereby green plants remove toxins from the soil. Plants can extract specific elements within their ecosystem and still thrive. They accumulate the toxins in their tissues and root systems but remain undamaged. Sunflowers have been known to do something similar for centuries, eliminating heavy metals and pesticides from damaged soil. Two members of the mustard family are also useful for this process but it seems hemp is quite amazing at sucking up radiation. The Farm Bill allows ‘research’ growth at certain sites. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson grew hemp. Let’s join our countries’ founders to grow it to help clean the soil near reactor sites. Some plants are more resistant than others to ultraviolet radiation. The best are wheat, soybeans, rye, barley, alfalfa, and corn (all of which are excellent sources of nutrients). Though high levels of ultraviolet light may stunt these plants' growth somewhat, they'd still produce food.

    Fallout from a nuclear weapon is different from that of commercial radioactive waste. While the waste from a nuclear reactor may last for thousands or even tens of thousands of years, radiation from a nuclear weapon decays very quickly to a safe level. (The flip side of this is that fallout is initially more dangerous than radioactive waste since the levels of radiation it gives off are higher.) Even in the shadow of a very dirty ground blast, the half-life levels of radiation will sink to lower levels after a year. This Sept 21-27 event was announced on TV by French leaders & John Kerry 500 days in advance of the Arctic sub tests. The scope of these drills involve corporate conglomerates and the bio-war industry which thrives on contracts supported by all major governments. Ahead of the aftermath many of us have a goal to reduce post war radiation. Climate change is very much a part of the reason the military industrial complex wants to experiment. They will test every system in "gradients". Sadly I doubt there will be a mass protest against warfare. Destructive forces & 404 nuclear plants are "likely" to have a big blast. Maybe the meek "waterbears" will inherit the Earth but molecular evolution can't save this beautiful blue planet from war.

    1. I'm reposting this on the forum under land use. If you object, I can easily delete it.

  93. Hi Mark,

    Glad you're keeping a low profile but still checking in once in a while. I'm of course fuzzy about all the scientific explanations re the plants. It doesn't surprise me, however, that the plant world offers so much. And I need no encouragement to believe that hemp can do anything. Slightly surprised that one can eat the food from radiation-absorbing crops. Not too clear about Kerry and the Arctic tests. Is the US cooperating with the French on this? You have no idea how stubborn I am. I say, no more war, and that is what I mean. :-)

    Has anyone considered how the bacteria in the nastiest sludge imaginable would deal with nuclear waste?

    1. No objections to anything. I was not going to post on NBL at all but my final LAND USE projected (sort of inspired by you) notes would not appear here so I copied them to NBL anyway.
      Trust me you know I'm horrified by how close we are coming to war yet again. I assume it will pass and we will plough on.

      Scientists who discovered a prehistoric virus called Mollivirus sibericum in the Siberian permafrost plan to give the virus its first wakeup call since the last Ice Age (after first verifying that it can't harm humans and animals, thankfully). It's hoped the study could shed insight into ancient dormant viruses that could, it's feared, get another chance at spreading as permafrost retreats due to climate change.

      The team, from the French National Centre for Scientific Research, announced its plans in a study published Tuesday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) journal.

      The virus is classified as a "giant" virus because it's visible by light microscopy. Mollivirus sibericum carries a complex genetic structure that houses more than 500 genes, according to the study's abstract. The influenza virus, in comparison, has only 8 genes.

      The same team that discovered Mollivirus sibericum found another 30,000-year-old virus, Pithovirus sibericum, in the same Russian permafrost. As described in PNAS last year, those scientists revived a sample of Pithovirus sibericum in safe lab conditions and determined it was still infectious, though it only affects amoebas.

  94. A snippet from "Fast Eddy" (FA) on Gail Tverberg's blog :

    "A good example of how — when BAU collapses — if there is anything left to fight over — the fight will be local — centralized control will end because ‘military intervention’ requires petrol…. and there won’t be any once strategic reserves are gone…."

    FA is very smart and well informed, with an extremely negative view of human potential. So although I disagree with him on the latter, I find the quote above illuminating. If some sort of collapse is immediately imminent (which I personally have reservations about), we should consider the likelihood that the central government won't have the fuel to safeguard nuke plants. Which leads to the idea that local community organizing around plants--allowing for local communities to manage the plants on their own--is worth considering. That would make land use (community) planning for the various plant communities all the more urgent.

    1. In Brattleboro Vermont the local community IS NOW VERY ACTIVE organizing around plants--allowing for local communities to manage the plants on their own. Our team has meetings with all communities in Region 2 who will be doing extra fuel & supply storage. ARTLEADS if you would ever like your real name on our community honor board we would be glad to include you because you are the only one of 3 or 4 people I found on social media who has been consistently helpful & sensible. Thank you very much for your volunteer spirit helping with LAND USE plans & systems.

    2. Thanks so much, Mark. Do you have Mo's or Satish's contact? I'll try to contact Satish by email and ask if he can give my name/email to you.


      I think John Liu is your man. I'm sure he'll be available if you look for him. Geoff Lawton, permaculture guru, knows him too. He can be located.

      I lost a long response. As an individual, I practice layering the ground with weeds, horse manure, food scraps--anything that will rot. I never dig. I put dirt on top and plant in pocket of the mess. Worm castings on top help things to break down. Gray water from any source is great. Pile snow on top in the winter. Although I cover everything with weeds, I HAVE NO WEEDS growing up where I plant. I water with a hose and let it drip, drop by drop, sometimes for days on end. Better send this before I screw it up too.

    4. "In Brattleboro Vermont the local community IS NOW VERY ACTIVE organizing around plants--allowing for local communities to manage the plants on their own."

      Whether or not Bernie Sanders is favored in your office, he's gaining very large support. He is also from Vermont. Is he aware of your efforts in VT? Has he been asked to support and speak about it? Can the VT model be a model for the nation (?) and is it likely that Bernie would use it as a plank in his political platform?

    5. Not a chance Art! Bernie is a war monger of the worst kind and is a shill for Hillary.

      If he did he would be just like Obomba, who lied about every single plank in his campaign, except now in his legacy period he is putting worthless shine to his self promotion in a few small areas so he can rewrite history, just like Bubba Bush.

      ALL politicos are liars.



    6. Ok, Shep. You're better informed on politics than I. I felt a little queasy after I wrote it. We probably don't want politics mixed up with this in any way. As to Bernie and war, I know zero about his foreign policy views (or the probable reasons for them). I've heard him somewhat compared with Jeremy Corbin in UK, who won leadership of the Labor party. Corbin is adamantly anti-war...

    7. ART:

      U are right that Politics corrupts everything.

      Here is a tasty article about Sanders and Corbyn u may want to read and it ends with this comment:

      "Sanders’ House and Senate voting record shows he’s part of the dirty system he rhetorically opposes. He’s no Jeremy Corbyn."


    8. Shep and Mark,

      Please accept my profound apology for bringing up Sanders. Doing this was going against my deepest conscience, and illustrates how easy it is to be opportunistic in the wrong way, how easy it is to be corrupted by politics.

      I still don't know, objectively, much about Sanders, but what I FEEL is that he is a crusty, stubborn old MALE buzzard. What Mark is trying to do, and I'm trying to help him do, is to MOTHER. I don't feel any kind of mother in Sanders. Putting this matter before him FEELS like "putting pearls before swine."

      I hope you will both forgive me, and continue to stand firmly by your principles.

    9. Absolutely no need to apologize. Politics is what is wrong with the WORLD, and, has always been.. Pure unadulterated scum. It is funny, all politicians are experts in all fields except wisdom which is the mother of empathy. Don't feel bad Art, u are one of the caring souls on this planet. Thank you.


  95. ARTLEADS - I will read your LAND USE ideas in the NBL forum as I work on reactor area planting with great care. The Upper Colorado Plateau is highly vulnerable to destruction if humans or livestock tread across it or especially if vehicles tear it up. And if that happens enough, then not only are dust storms more likely to blow up the loose sand, but there will be less storing of carbon and the ecosystem may be set up for what researchers call “succession” — transition into a more extreme desertified state, without as many lichens or mosses and with only cyanobacteria hanging on.

    So what does climate change add to this dynamic? To find out, the researchers conducted a long term experiment in which plots of Colorado Plateau biocrust were subjected to either 10 years of warmer temperatures or more rainfall, or 15 years of literal human trampling.

    In the climate change scenario, plots of ground were continually warmed by infrared heaters several degrees Celsius above the temperature surrounding them. In the stomping scenario, by contrast, a team of volunteers walked heel to toe, twice, across a plot of land — once per year for 15 years.

    The researchers found that in all cases, the effect was more or less the same — a severe blow to the lichens and mosses of the community, leaving behind only the algae or “cyanobacteria,” which proceeded to show an increase that the researchers called “dramatic.”

    For instance, while algae made up 81 percent of the biocrust community prior to human trampling, afterward it made up 99 percent. Warmer temperatures had a similar effect.

    “We were really surprised,” said Ferrenberg. “We know that walking on them or driving on them kills them. We were really surprised that giving them a bit of extra heat would kill them, and it did.”

    The researchers proceeded to observe that while you can protect drylands from humans, vehicles, or livestock — at least to an extent — you can’t switch off global warming. “The effects of warming described here are a great cause for concern, as increasing annual temperatures are a near certainty across dryland ecosystems,” they wrote.

    1. When you look at the vast Chinese project in Liu's video (before and after about 30 minutes in), you can almost see that they're building a civilization. That's not a trivial thing. I'm almost certain that John D. Liu and Geoff Lawton (the permaculture guy) will make themselves available for your project. You can't do better than that. It's important to watch the entire video. :-)

    2. Also, I just throw things into the land use forum slot. My advise would be to run your eyes over the period of concern to see if a word or phrase or title jumps out. Please don't waste your precious time reading anything at length. :-)

      There was something from DENVER POST a few days ago--something about turning zoo animal waste into a source of energy. I didn't get into it at all, but it kinda sounds like something government planners might find interesting. And then again, I keep thinking about the heat in compost. And I don't think our rot-averse society is making enough use of anaerobic, sludge-like, evil-smelling, deathly-slimy muck.

    3. If I don't hear back from Satish soon, I may be able to contact Lidia through the forum (for your address). And if you are registered on the forum, I can contact you privately that way, and vice versa. Hmmm. Let me go check it now.

    4. hey Artleads ~ if you need any help with Mark's contact info, just let me know. I am assuming I can reach you through your NBL email address. and of course you can always reach me: moflow at outlook dot com

      I am not checking NBL these days, but I check in here every few days. hi Mark and Shep!

    5. Hi Mo!

      I think of you often. Sincerely hope all is well with you. Yes, we can make contact through the forum anytime. Satish was kind enough to forward my info to Mark. Would be delighted whenever you start posting again.

    6. dear Artleads ~ thank you. I also think of you often. I am doing well, and I hope you are, too.

      I really like your comment below. I also believe there are many choices that can be made, and very much that is not inevitable.

      glad to hear Satish forwarded Mark's info.

      much love,
      ~ mo

    7. Thanks, Mo. My very warmest sentiments to you as well!

      Just posted this on

      I'm trying to look at this from the conventional perspective. I actually think that eschewing new "clean energy production," and turning the conventional (economics) wisdom on its head, reshuffling the chairs on the Titanic--not a conventional notion--would/could do wonders. Trying to fix the whole planet seems totally pointless.

      The conventional approach is to look at the monster, connected global capitalist industrial system (that's admittedly where we are now) as the only model for civilization. Because it's this way, it's the way it had to be all along. That is neither here nor there. We can make choices. But we can only make them with the resources we have. We can't dream up new ones from nowhere. The monster global economic system is what led us to the brink of extinction. It is deadly by its very nature. The planet doesn't have the resources for this sort of thing. Breaking the whole up into manageable, independent hubs would seem more manageable and durable.

      Meanwhile we DO have the monster economic system, and some people are tweaking it to make it smarter and less resource greedy. Government might be able to do some of that. But it gets needed resources through taxing. That means BAU needs to continue as stably and for as long as possible. That requires it to do bad in order to do good. They have to condone ripping up the planet so as to try and change course. What course change is realistic?

      Course changers have to figure out how to get from here to there. Maybe course is changed in stages:

      - There is modest change to places like Walmart. Install skylights and turn off electric lights. Pay the worker $15/hr so they can buy more stuff. Buy more veggies from nearby farmers.

      - There are smart technologies. Buy from Amazon. Take Uber. Get money to count geese.

      - Establish better ways to grow food. You can't do better than this:

      That is a crude assessment of stages of course changes. The theory is that you start with the most BAU and progress from there. All the stages are currently in operation. But it could be helpful to see each as a stage in series of progression.

      Government can use its resources to work itself out of a job. With collapse of FFs it can't do the work it does now. It therefore must look ahead to see what it can do now to prepare for the depleted future. For instance, it needs to set up some sort of permanent sub civilization around nuclear plants that is supplied with the means and permission to mine remaining FFs to manage nuclear plants for the foreseeable future. That means that nowhere else can use FFs. That means trees must be planted now that can be harvested for heating, cooking and primitive manufacture. Although local communities will be increasingly on their own, enlightened government can do its utmost now (before the masses know why) to prepare them to manage that future. Communities need to be organized (through jobs, etc.) to replant and harvest these urban forests. (Old growth forests obviously have to be left alone to do their indispensable work of sequestering carbon, etc..)

      How is this done? Communities must be taught how to live off grid, and an awful lot of that is going on in the middle class world; the urban poor, not so much. The latter case is perhaps where Leap-like movements can help. All these steps to prepare people have to go on while the majority have no idea what is to come. Fortunately, the poor are in such dire straights that any conscious PREPARATION for anything at all, however austere and limited, is a great improvement over the status quo. The poor are not likely to benefit from newfangled technology.

      It seems to me that a vision of the stages we must undergo feeds into the meme that the earlier interventions successively set up and support the ones to come. The earliest are easily accepted and don't appear to pose any contradiction to BAU. This is the most orderly scenario I can think of.

  96. This is the only safe place to list ideas like this. They may not be popular here either, but at least won't elicit abuse.

    I don't share in the idea of inevitable NTHE. It's a choice. It depends, one way or another, what a critical mass of humanity decides it is in its interest to change.

    Global societies need to pull in the same direction. What we have now are individuals and governments pulling against each other. Society has become increasingly balkanized instead of unified. This trend must be reversed. Which means that global society must grow and stretch to harmoniously accommodate previously conflicting memes under a single tent.

    In the age of quantum understanding, it should be more widely understood that any given entity can be more than one thing at the same time. A nation--America for instance-- can be a nation and an anti-nation at the same time.

    America's destiny is to be the first post racial nation with global reach. Its foundational history is native American, which I think must be understood and embraced.

    Cooperartive, planet-wide systems of conduct and governance can and should be enacted.

    The Leonardo stick dome that Gail Tverberg likes to reference as the model for the socioeconomic system--interlocking sticks where one stick's removal crashes the dome--comprise inert sticks that lack spirit. But what if each stick becomes enspirited and aware? The dome evolves.

    Government structures are necessary, but they are like houses without people in them. They are quantitative in nature, while it is the people who imbue them with quality. Leonardo sticks can be enspirited and work on a more complex and synergistic level than they do now.

    Politicians should be passive, somewhat "weak," unsympathetic. Otherwise, we have the generally misguided notion that they are there to fix things. Instead, they should be seen to be there to be led. Their skill is to get in the position of authority.

    Africa needs to be unified as one nation, and America should help to make it happen. America should voluntarily give Africa what it needs, and Africa, in time, should willingly give America what it needs.

  97. Oh what a delight --- MO FLOW -- is alive & was here. Love him to bits my dear. Just came from a nice Saturday night party. Sometimes you just have to love the moment and everything as is. Gift of life & all. Wonderful to hear from Satish & Shep too. Writing funny personal letters to Lidia & Babajingo each week.

    MO FLOW I meet Lidia in person when I was working on the Vermont reactor for a week. NBL in real life. I also did a bunch of personal planning talking with Guy about a trip to D.C. but the expenses I requisitioned got denied.

    My gratitude to Babajingo for getting after those bad Nazi guys on NBL. Her turn to get after the bullies now that good cop Mo is not in the okay corral. LOVE to all ...goodnight

    ART - I will read everything you suggested to get my homework done before I write you a private e-mail (sunny Sunday wishes to all)

  98. Artleads:

    DAMN. I wrote you my interpretation of anarchy and after laboring for a long time correcting mistakes, the thing disappeared. Getting old is horribly painful in so many ways.

    In summary, anarchy means NO RULERS, and it has worked quite well until the powers that be intervene. Sort of a cooperative living arrangement with none of the bullshit from the higher up muckity muck bastards.
    I think tho it can only maybe function with relatively small groups.


    1. Shep,

      This is how I replied to djl:


      Thanks so much for this response. It is totally along the lines I was searching for.

      I'm somewhat familiar with the dictionary definition, but I was looking for a relatively consistent (personal) definition that brought a ray of light as the dictionary definition doesn't quite do. So there's the "correct" definition and the one I find useful.

      For me, order without coercion means order without rulers. I'm sure that thorough semantic scrutiny would cast aside my definition. But just as you so rightly point out, especially at the end, we have to look at what the results of any "correctness" yields. The kind of order that comes from using terms correctly won't necessarily help when you're running from a flood.

      So, providing that I warn the reader that I'm inventing my own "incorrect" definition of the term anarchy--but one that may be congruent with it--I hope that I can help make the term not just something for academics and more something for the unwashed legion who are in dire straights.

      I see order in much the nature-centered way that you do. The earth rotates on its axis and goes around the sun. Humans might not fare well if that order were interrupted. But it's not clear what such interruption would mean--positive an/or negative on a broader cosmic scale. So we are using the term "natural" in relation to what makes human life possible. We are perhaps being human-centric in all of this.

      If what they call the biosphere can no longer support human existence, that might be the disruption of human-relevant order. Selfish, greedy conduct that lead to wars and environmental destruction lead to systemic breakdown of human habitat. The question in theory, therefore, is do we want to live or do we choose to die? As I am defining it, order is what makes living possible (leaving aside for now all the rigorous analysis of irreversible feedback loops). As far as the masses are concerned we are still in the realm of possible change for the better. I'm only speaking to that meme. If you think that change for the better is desirable, you need order. For starters, obviously destructive behaviors toward our nest would be jettisoned--deforestation, plastic and garbage in the ocean, aborigine genocide, etc. An argument might be made that these behavior change represent meaningful reversion to order?

  99. Reposting from NBL

    Artleads Says:
    September 22nd, 2015 at 10:06 am
    So I’m trying to define order. And I’m trying to put forward some sketchy notions while I still am allowed:

    Order seen from a human perspective. It’s always a work in progress. Order is what enables the human to live. Order is not about recrimination for past misdeeds, but if these are not faced, order is stymied. Order isn’t perfect. Nothing is perfect.

    Here’s a weak analogy: The exceedingly clever but deranged teenager clobbers the parents over the head and leaves them bleeding and unconscious. He then steals the car and turns it into a twisted hulk of metal in a ditch. The parents revive well enough to take the wreck to cousins and friends to see if they can get it back to running order. The petulant teenager is hardly repentant, but can hardly make the case that he should take the car again. Nonetheless, the parents are having a hard time wresting the keys away from him. Also, he believes he deserves a new car, somewhat analogous to going to Mars to start a new civilization.

    This is what I point to as disorder. The teenager should be sent away to a correctional facility…for his own good, as well as that of the community. Yet, he insists on being center stage.

    There’s nothing wrong with white people other than the denial of what they have done, other than the refusal to leave center stage. Control has to return to the indigenous people who had some sort of order going. Was their order perfect? Probably not, but the sky was dark for birds and buffalo were uncountable. The rainforests were intact, and so were the grasslands. The sea was not polluted. Perhaps none of this was perfect at all, but exceeding rich and vital, and good enough to sustain life.

    And yet, everywhere one turns, white men are still in control. How is this order? There are more women than men, so how come they don’t run the planet? The fact that Christine Lagarde is head of the IMF doesn’t mean that this isn’t still a man’s world. Where is the order here?

    The children run amok in the classroom, throwing chairs at each other. There is no order in that.

  100. Away from public formats I'm a pretty happy person and I take most stuff easily. I think there is still time for large scale society transformations. Humans could mature into a better species. That's exactly why we should keep planting green ideas. Care for land & oceans. Look at our mistakes and try to become kinder people. Even if a nuclear war or EMPs did happen next week I assume that souls here on Earth are evolving a bit everyday - so all insights are valid in the scope of eternal matter & vast universal wonder I used my connections to get into Fermi Lab security then this Dept of "Energy" contract 👷

    I haven't had time to read NBL lately. when I do I am a silent readers. For now I'm just looking at plants we can use around reactors.

    D.C. traffic is insane this evening so I'm working late. Xi Xiaoping the leader of China is here along with the arrival of the Pope. Senators & celebrities and radicals & religious leaders & everyone with every possible agenda is in D.C. this week. Even my father is here hanging out with John Mc Cain. It all seems a bit loony with the 4th blood moon approaching. Where is my wear wolf costume for Halloween. 🎭

  101. Well, at least Francis is there trying his best to turn the Christian religion into something respectable. Just saw a documentary on him and I know something about Liberation Theology having learned from one of the most spiritual individuals on this planet. A true prophetic voice.

    This current Pope apparently was a supporter of cruelty in the extreme in Argentina (1970's). He was then sent to a far away, out of the way place. He refused to talk to anyone there and must have been convicted by Christ himself because his mind reversed. Amazing. I'm an atheist but that doesn't prevent me from admiring individuals that figure out that mercy, kindness and so forth are what we are supposed to actively support even with the threat of sure death, given our intellect.

    Nothing we can really do except Love One Another. Glad I found NBL because of that simple statement.

    Hope your retirement comes fast.


  102. Some economic insight:

  103. Hi Shep, this my own personal take from being inside the Capitol today talking to others under the dome as we watched (on TV monitors) the Pope address Congress: "The Crisis" speaks to the inner poverty felt by people everywhere in countries rich and poor. It speaks to and provides the deeper answer to people's pervasive sense of disconnection from greater meaning, relationship and direction in life.

    "The Great Warning" speaks to the outer crisis of environmental, social and economic change and upheaval which is now converging upon humanity. It calls for the realization of this deeper nature within the individual, in concert with others, in service to the well-being and future of humanity.

    My father had an actual seat in the balcony for the Congressional speech. Interesting time here in history.

  104. My very old grandmother died the other night after the Lunar eclipse. I've been in contact with OGF in Alaska. She understands my problems with undocumented half-breed Indian issues

    ARLLEADS words on NBL 2 years ago Sept 2013:

    Artleads said: "That the universe is meaningless is a very strange conclusion. First off, it’s a mind boggling mystery. Is it even real? For something to be real it must contrast to something different from itself. What is different from the universe? Other universes? What is different from those? Among the refuted theories of the universe are: steady state (no beginning and no end), pulsating, cyclical (expanding and contracting back to big bang state), created by God, etc., etc., etc..
    But meaningless? How come? What do we know about meaninglessness?"

    My grandma was not very cognizant while in nursing care for past few months. One of the last things she did say to my mother was stuff about signs in the stars. Terrible birth records for poor half-breed female babies in the Smoky mountains over 90 years ago. As far as we know she was between 18 and 20 when she gave birth to my mom.

    Long story and it is sort of my fault but We never got an official birth certificate for grandma. In past decades everyone demands perfect records - with virtually no respect to the fact there were no records in the rural Blue Ridge mountain area a century ago.

    In a way it is lucky I'm here in D.C. to cut through some red tape at Dept Of Interior Indian affairs for a death certificate. Never born. Never died. But a hundred years went by with plenty of well meaning. Everything is energy from one original source. Never disconnected to begin with ****

    1. That's a rich life your grandmother lived, Mark. I can only get nostalgic of the days when the state didn't give every new born birth certificates. Of course, today, if the computer doesn't say you exist, then you most definitely don't, even if you're standing right there in front of the stupid clerk.

    2. Satish, So good to read you on NBL. The "True" story extracted from over 7 billion self-stories is so important. And yes this it a rare blink in time where computer communication does wire together all of our odd stories...even the story of searching for deeper truth. Thank Shiva the goddess of destruction & renewal your back for a bit. Your writing talent & insights shine. I'm just the guy blogging about bits of my life without the bigger picture. You do us all a kind service when we get to read you. THANKS!!!

      Products of our environment & social programming. Like trying to look up at the stars from under the ocean. Even nature distorts our view of the whole story. Must look so diffrent from some clown fish slowly evolving it's colors to survive and blend in a bleaching coral reef. Looking forward to seeing more thru your articles when & if you feel the time is right. A true Satish story to plant seeds in our minds.

    3. Mark, your latest comment on NBL is very moving... you're a wonderful writer... and a poet all the same.

    4. I told Lidia A part of her E-mail below had to be shared. So FUNNY:

      "When I went to live in Italy there were a Whole Host of crazy bureaucratic norms and documents one had to deal with, the most hilarious being the "Auto-Certification of Existence in Life."

      This document is handy when some other document declares that you are dead, or assumes that you are dead, but you aren't dead. This apparently happens frequently enough in Italy that one needs the "Certification of Existence in Life" to countermand mistaken official assumptions of one's demise.

      It says "understanding the pains of a false declaration under statute blah-blah, the undersigned declares to be AS OF NOW LIVING"!

      (Then it says the signature does not have to be authenticated, nor does it have to be signed in the presence of an employee of whichever Gov. Entity required the declaration.. So,.. Like,.. TOTALLy on the up&up, no? I'm thinking this must be to do with collecting dead people's pensions...)

  105. John on the penultimate NBL blog (2nd comment page) helped me to think more about global land use mapping. It's about the refugees. AFAICS, this represents a strange sort of silver lining to the mayhem in north Africa and the Middle East, largely promoted by western imperialism. The war in Iraq comes foremost to mind. Is this awesome destruction, devastation and death all in vain? It shouldn't be. The least the west can do is make something useful out of it that approaches the scale of the harm done. Refugees could spur the development of self-sustaining hubs that are models for the immediate aftermath of economic collapse. They could make some sort of income by growing plants, perhaps even helping with Mark's growing ideas for nuke plant vicinities...

    What are the issues around globally mapping what food can grow where throughout the planet? Then, with increasing heat, how this map might change? Clearly (IMO, anyway), there must be a progressive decrease in mass food production and increase in personal food production, tailored to local conditions. This can be an aspect of land use planning, rather than planning for bullet trains and settlements on Mars...

    With a proactive program for refugees, might the US not do well to absorb a million refugees?

  106. Refugees could spur the development of self-sustaining hubs that are models for the immediate aftermath of economic collapse. They could make some sort of income by growing plants,

    Yes. Wow ARTLEADS. I'm down here in the petri dish then I look up from germinating genetics and you have this nice idea about refugees working in greenhouses. Even if the turmoil is too big to organize, it's great to know how we could come together and do things better. My common sense and your spirit prevail on another Earth. Pray the trials here teach us to do better somewhere in eternity. An infinity of mistakes to correct. An infinity of potential. ONE big thanks for helping us learn here & now.

    1. Here I'm in the company of giants. Not that giants can save anything. But they help me to see when I'm spinning my wheels. It's good that you put my screen name in caps, producing one of my bigger ego trips. Somehow, you seem to know what people crave. Or maybe you even know that I don't read well and skip over a lot. You have an uncanny depth and diversity of insights. I do my thing, a dreamer, and nothing turns out as projected. But it never fails to produce something which depends on or relates to the dream. That's the point, to live out the vision. It works. It isn't exactly trying to DO anything. It's dreaming. I daydream. And it's nice to step back, expecting nothing, living in a place of nothingness. But one strives to be a better person. That's obligatory, IMO. And it helps, as Satish repeats (implies), to listen to everything.

      We know where the road can lead that is paved with good intentions. It is almost never a case (with me) of making anything better, although I so often think this is the goal. The road keeps going, and I find it leads nowhere. Still, I haven't gotten the message that this is the end of life. It would be a first for my intuition to fail me so thoroughly. But one can never know whether humans have gone extinct. This greatly limits what one can know. A massive cataclysm, natural, economic or otherwise (that, unlike the refugees, no one on earth can ignore) will create change of some sort. And the more and better models there are to fall back on the better, the more resilient the people and their life supports. But that, in my experience, seems to lead nowhere. I can neither see a future nor an end. I suppose science must try to reach understanding and every stone must be turned over. In the arena where feasible, I'm pursuing those ends as well. Trying forever to be more clear. Maybe logic is part of what I seek. Me, the fuzzywuzzy Of all the strange things. Logic!

      But I've gone on too long already. :-)

    2. " we could come together and do things better..."

      I think that's it. This doesn't cost extra money, and most probably REDUCES cost. This is an area of understanding that it's questionable whether it would reach Vidaloo on the forum.

      Take hurricane Joaquin. It's battering the Bahamas, but 99% of the reporting is about the threat to the east coast. But what about the Bahamas? Why not give close and intimate reporting of what is happening there too? Not only would it be more interesting; it would be fairer and kinder too. And cost no more. Love thy neighbor as thy frigging self!

      We could look at tribalism in a different and more effective way. We change the tribal identity depending on the issue, but we don't arbitrarily shut others out because we are following old, outdated stories about who we are. There's so much more to say, but it's 7:01, and I'm immersed in continuing my outdoor two-weekend artist tour, which was tentatively begun yesterday amidst rain and hurricane force gusts of wind. And all my work is fragile, made of paper, and free of tool-based infrastructure...

  107. SO much more simply and to the point, this seems to fit what I was trying to say two posts back . It's on a new Maya Angelou stamp:

    "A bird doesn't sing because it has an answer; it sings because it has a song."

  108. More artwork from Steve Cutts, who made the animation above (Story of Man) -

    1. Brilliant work, Satish! I'll pass the link on to someone with a wide distribution list.

  109. and now, for your reading pleasure, here are two, for me, very interesting articles on 1. another view of immigration, and, 2. thoughts on corrosive nationalism.




    1. I've looked at the first link. I come from a place where Westerners come and destroy everything. This article articulates it with such clarity that I understand the syndrome better, despite my long experience with it. I'll get to other link soon. Thanks!

    2. Good articles, Shep... the first one nails it. It presents an angle of Western imperialism that I haven't been very concerned about, but am now.

    3. Shep,

      I loved the second link too. Language matters!

  110. SATISH:

    when u click on 'the number of comments' your page conveniently goes to the bottom of the page.. Don't u have mo-flow's email - maybe a suggestion to the NBL folks - of course they may not like it but i will. hehe!


  111. Great to read SATISH more often on NBL. Sabine too. "Roots" much deeper than English language include the "story" of resources.

    ARTLEADS I hope your art show this past 2 weeks went well. Your detailed description of buildings in relation to landscape came to remind me of our conversation about the original TAOS indian pueblo that is still inhabited. That complex fits best with the land. Over 700 years ago they had it so naturally right.

    I just finished watching the 2 hour TOM CAMPBELL youtube you e-mailed before the funeral. I really like the part about being an open minded skeptic...sounds like Satish.

    Quick review of many thoughts in the presentation:
    It's important to understand the last century of physics and the impasse between QM and General relativity. These models (while both -experimentally- known to work in their own respective domains, still remain dis-unified today) It is the debate between Bohr and Einstein: is reality subjective or objective? Mainstream physics today has branches towards the holographic universe, the simulated universe and a search for quantum gravity. Reality = information is accepted, the debate is how it works ??? Oh but MO FLOW knows our big secret in the singularity. I am not who I think I am. I am not who anyone thinks I am. Thoughts I am not. i am.........

  112. Hi Mark,

    Thanks for taking taking the time! Hope you can forgive me for imposing on you. I thought Einstein was exceeded by others. Out of my depth.

    "the debate is how it works ???"

    Campbell talks about other universes, each with distinct physical rules. We have the ones we have. Over all, no space, no time. Just info.

  113. Mark,

    Wonder if you have seen this rap about CERN?


    1. Shep - what is the title of the CERN vid. ?? I'd love to see but the link does not work. I'll go to you tube and search by exact title. Rather than watch TV i always follow links people suggest. I learn a lot but fail to write back with thanks for the cool tips.

      All the energy we evolve here is worth something in space time we "create" unfold to explore. Most species do learn from their mistakes. Even if we can't see how our mistakes, they do have value in both tiny and vast dimensions we can't yet fathom.

      Fractals do exist inside fractals. It's true in nature. Recording, shifting, always alive. There will never be a unified field equation since "They" will not accept eternal flux in the calculation. Silly minds. Brilliant minds. closed minds. Never a final state because life itself is always in flux. In FLOW & a bit mo..........

    2. Mark: "Large Hadron Rap" is the title:

      On my computer I hi-light the address, then, hit control button and right click.

      If u get there scroll down in the comments section. There are all kinds of urls there?????


  114. hi dear Mark ~

    what is most valuable, here in the human Earth dream, is knowing that the One is

    ~ infinitely loving,

    ~ instantly forgiving,

    ~ boundlessly merciful.

    there is no limit to depth of what can be healed, and it is always waiting for us, ever willing.

    we are One. there can be no other.

    love to all,
    ~ mo

    1. All love to you...all ways -0- Looking forward to ACIM. I had a great phone conversation with OGF. We both giggled about the mystery of you. Dogs, gods & dolphins. The secret is none....or maybe just one...little one yet to come...along with everything connected to the sun. "Soaking in the fun"

    2. woof!

      somewhere, beyond the sea... la laaaa, la la...


  115. Hi Mo,

    So nice to see you!

    Although severely poetry challenged, I started (after rereading) to 'get' and get a lot (of joy) from your poem. Thank you.

  116. hi dear Artleads ~


    with some help from Satish, I actually want to make a couple of tiny changes to it. nothing that changes the meaning, but just fills it out a bit more. I am radically a perfectionist with my creations. :)

    you and Mark *directly* inspired this poem, with:

    "the debate is how it works ???"

    Campbell talks about other universes, each with distinct physical rules. We have the ones we have. Over all, no space, no time. Just info.

    "how it works" and "We have the ones we have... Just info."

    what we have...


    oh, what we have! what we are ~ woven into and out of this glorious Creation!

    we will know. we will know it ALL, someday.

    “Matter is not lacking in magic, matter is magic.”
    ~ Terence McKenna.

    1. presence is way more challenging than absence. Muy bien, ranger Marco loves that. Easy non-being. Oh but then you miss the breezy.

      I spent a night in hot tubs at Eslan institute (Big Sur cliff resort 1988) with Terrance. what a trip. Let's do the time warp again. Time wave zero.

      Children of soach. chaos. soa "ch" k ismortal coil. breath of life. unbounded. unfounded. Uno 1

  117. ok, in the tradition of "there are no secrets" ~ because there aren't...

    our big secret in the singularity = I am

    the One is Perfect Being.

    everything that exists falls from that definition, for reasons that become clear as life is explored and experienced.

    everything at its essence, including ourselves, the Universe, and all the the Universe contains, IS this Perfect Being.

    from where we are, here, we experience this essence, our deepest nature, and the deepest nature of All that is Real, as

    ~ infinitely loving,

    ~ instantly forgiving,

    ~ boundlessly merciful.

    if our experience is anything other than those ~ or any variation in kind on those experiences such as peace, perfect bliss, joy, grace, abundance, etc. ~ then we are experiencing something we have created. not something the One itself IS.

    this "something we have created" qualifies as illusion ~ not Real ~ in some fashion or another.

    we can of course experience the One as it experiences itself, in its actual nature: Perfect Being. but then we are no longer here. nothing else can exist, in that case, other than pure "I am" ~ which encompasses All from within.

    our concepts, or any experiences we think we have, of God (or Source, or the Universe, or the One) as vengeful, wrathful, commanding, controlling, vindictive, punitive, careless, thoughtless, heartless, etc. ~ are all entirely our creations, in our own minds and imaginations.

    these experiences have absolutely nothing ~ and zero, and zilch! ~ to do with the actual nature of the One.

    the One = I am

    Perfect Being. nothing else.

  118. should be: "and all that the Universe contains"

  119. I plan to be away from posting for few days. Mo, I'm using your occasional absences as a model and a challenge. Got a project to (at least) begin! Best wishes to all.


    This touches on the elusive nature of reality (FWIW). Saw the full version of this episode on PBS today.

    1. enjoy your project, Artleads. best wishes to you.

      presence is way more challenging than absence! :)

  120. ONE really good day. One more nuclear power plant to be decommissioned. Before meeting with LIDIA during the VT Yankee plant job I wrote about my meetings with Entergy in Boston capitol bld. Well today all the contracts are done to shut down the Pilgrim plant. ONE mo to go.......I am loving my nuclear clean up. One by one.

    ARTLEADS - yes I must get people to see the reactors in LAND SPACE vision. Brattleboro, Devils Canyon, Crystal River, Turkey Point.....see them in reality. See them so they can see what we are trying to remove. Going with the flow...I am. Artleads you never impose. I find time. Make time. I appreciate all the links everyone provides

    SHEP - I read counterpunch --- just like Satish said "now I know" wow thanks. Steven Cutts Art

    Mo I wish you could have met the version of "m" who met Lidia. There are many aspects of me. Maybe I even have a twin? We are one. You are one,,,,all in one,,,,and then there were none. Isn't it fun - Infinity in a singularity.

    Outflow...backflow....i am not quite yet done with the 8 billion to ONE: Got this report today from the think tank Chatham House looked at the cybersecurity of power plants spread across the globe for a period of 18 months. They conducted 30 interviews with government officials and senior nuclear officials in Canada, France, Germany, Japan, the UK, Ukraine and the US.[1]

    The results of the study were sobering. In particular, the report found that nuclear power plants sprinkled across the globe were lacking in a number of basic security protocols. For example, weak passwords vulnerable to hacking, like “1234,” were used on a wide range of computer systems that control critical systems in power plants.

    “Cyber security is still new to many in the nuclear industry,” Caroline Baylon, an author of the study, told the Financial Times. “They are really good at safety and, after 9/11, they’ve got really good at physical security. But they have barely grappled with cyber.”[1]

    The researchers also found that many engineers bring their personal computers into work to manage facility systems. In addition, digital back doors are becoming increasingly common as companies use more monitoring systems.
    A myth squandered

    The report also squandered a prevalent myth that computer systems at nuclear facilities are invulnerable to hacking because they are disconnected from the public internet. To the contrary: The gap between the public internet and nuclear systems can easily be bridged with nothing but a hard drive, according to the report.

    “Many people said it was simply not possible to cause a major incident like a release of ionising radiation with a cyber attack,” said Baylon, “but that’s not necessarily true.”[1]

    Authors of the study concluded that a lack of communication between engineers and security personnel, coupled with insufficient training, were the reasons why so many power plants were susceptible to cyberattacks.

    “This suggests the industry’s risk assessment may be inadequate; as a consequence, there is often insufficient spending on cyber security.”[1] ... okay so let's print some more. The Treasury is right next door.

    1. hey dear Mark ~ saw a headline about Vermont Yankee closing just a few days ago, and I thought of you. and now Pilgrim!!! that is just completely awesome. one by ONE. gotta start somewhere, and this is a great start. so truly fantastic that you are working this. soooo glad to hear that another one of these devils is going DOWN!

    2. "okay so let's print some more. The Treasury is right next door."

      totally cracked me up. :)

    3. ~ infinitely loving,

      ~ instantly forgiving,

      ~ boundlessly merciful.

  121. Children of Chaos

    Children of Chaos,
    we are
    The Stuff the Universe is Made Of...

    Carved spirals of Light Alive,
    Marmoreal dreams drawn down
    into Geometries of Carbonate,

    our silken Embrace is now The
    friendly warmth of Firelight,
    Afore a Nightmare beyond
    The veil of Stars.

    Light on Dark, smoothed White
    into an eggshell, Dark to Light
    polished as an arch of Bone

    Above the Eye.

    we are
    Shadow Walkers Astride
    Aquamarine Nebulae,

    Oxygen, Consolidated and frozen
    by Immortal Breath, Claws
    Pressed Down,

    into the prayer of Life.

    Children of Chaos,
    we are,
    The Stuff the Universe is Made Of.

    1. Very beautiful poem. I'm going to print to keep in my suitcase. Moving into a gate house at the front of an estate very near the CIA Langely campus tomorrow. Life is an adventure!

      Jim's 25 years at the FBI is done. Retirement party this Friday night. I'm stepping off the sail boat on Saturday morning. Everything is set for him to sail south day by day down the Inter-coastal waterway. He should get to Savannah by mid November. He was my trainer when I started my first gvt contract 14 years ago

      About 2 months till my contract is done.
      I'm going to write a proposal to spend next year down in Florida near one of the nuclear plants. I'd be glad to do it on a volunteer basis but they will insist I sign a contract to maintain minimal security clearance level to work hands-on developing a patch of radiation test gardens. The actual radiation "fungi" landscaping needs to start somewhere. Crystal River, Turkey Point or Ft. Peirce nuclear reactor locations each have marinas nearby where I could be a live-aboard. An anchor stop in the direction of my return sail to the Costa Rica wildlife park.

      The circles of life...moving us all on the flow of time. Returning to the timeless. Row Row gently in a stream of evolving dreams. BEYOND the nightmare, sow a bonfire. Sparks lift skyward. Looking up our tiny sparks seem the same as distant stars. Light that traveled for ages. Reaching us from suns that may no longer exist. Only the journey of their light remains.

    2. thank you, Mark. fun to know we will be traveling with you, in your suitcase. :) life is such an adventure!

      changes and rearranges, everything is moving on, moving on. sounds like some great changes in your life, and in Jim's.

      and eventually back to the Costa Rica wildlife park! that is very good to hear.

      BEYOND the nightmare, sow a bonfire. Sparks lift skyward.

      the beacon of the heart is lit. the heart of the Real ~ the gentle, morning light, simple beyond all dreams, dissolving all nightmares into Dust Motes Dancing in Sunbeams.

      Støvkornenes dans i solstrålerne

    3. Mark,

      Had some great experiences at Crystal River, Fla. in the 60's and early 70's, back in my extreme brat-days.. Did not know they have a nuclear plant. What a disaster! Wonder if the Manatees still exist?


    4. Hi Shep - I'm so glad to hear you enjoyed Crystal river back when it was crystal clear. Many manetee deaths last year due to toxins in water. But luckily some survive - until they join the 200 species per day list!!!

      I also read an article about huge Los Angeles entertainment agencies getting involved in the Rodeo market.

      For past few years I have urged the decision to close the nuclear power plant at Crystal River -- also known as CR3 -- Cracks in the plant immediately drew concern from people living nearby about their safety.

      Under the plan, the nuclear material that's already been on site for several years will likely remain here for many more, say officials.

      That's not exactly what some residents wanted to hear.

      "I don't feel too good about it," said Pat McAteer, who lives so close to the Crystal River nuclear plant that her neighborhood is dotted with warning towers, just in case something ever goes wrong.

      News that they plan to shutter the plant has her and others here "concerned about being so close to it and what could happen," she said.

      McAteer says she's worried about the environmental impact too.

      Since going off-line in late 2009, the nuclear rods that once powered the plant have been kept in a cooling pool, and there they'll stay, say officials, for the foreseeable future.

      After five years underwater, they'll be removed and placed in dry storage, encased in thick-walled casks which will remain on the property for 40 to 60 years.

      McAteer says that's too long.

      "Remove it completely, not just have it sit there," she said.

      "Safety is our number one priority," said Duke Energy Spokesman Mike Hughes.

      Hughes says the site is by no means being abandoned. He says eventually about 200 workers will handle the decommission and decontamination process. Then a handful will maintain it.

      "We will have environmental monitoring, we will have security. We will have a very definitive plan of how to monitor from the environmental perspective," he said.

      Still, local government officials say they share the public's concern.

      Such promises after cracks, or delamination as they call it, were found twice in the containment building's walls, don't exactly instill a level of confidence.

      Commissioner Joe Meek, the Citrus County Commission Chair, believes the energy company will do what's required, but "it is concerning," he said. "Again, I do think though, there are mechanisms in place -- thankfully by regulatory agencies -- with regards to safety."

      In fact, Progress / Duke Energy officials say the nuclear fuel rods housed on-site will not be stored in the damaged part of the plant, but rather in a separate cooling pond for the next 50 years. So obviously we need to get the rods going in the direction of Yucca Mt once the Nevada site is re-opened. I'll dock at Homosassa River lodge if I decide to spend 2016 focused on decommissioning the Crystal river plant.

      A COURSE in MIRACLE radioactive reducing gardening. Infinite love from the manatees & me.

  122. General Comment:

    I was cutting grass about three or four days ago and these thoughts came to mind:

    Empathy, honesty, & intuition are infinitesimally more valuable than science. We just don’t ‘need’ science. Science only masturbates the mind. I can’t even imagine the surge of adrenaline felt by the designers during the test of the first atom bomb. Wonder how long it lasted? 5 seconds…10 seconds…1 second? What a treat for all that demonic work.

    The infinite Universe is God and laughs its head off at the stupidity of thinking we can figure it out. “We just don’t know” (My best friend's, ever, quote, whenever he finished a lecture - it is on his tombstone, in Hebrew - he was an Old Testament Scholar) and we never will. The other day I heard someone say, ‘we’re gonna understand the brain.’ Yeah, riiiiiight. No one can understand infinities, except the Universe...