Thursday, April 16, 2015

Origins of Evil

[Approximate Reading Time: 30 minutes]

“Inherited and acquired psychological disorders and ignorance of their existence and nature are the primal causes of evil. The magic number of 6% seems to represent the number of humans who either carry the genes responsible for biological evil or who acquire such disorders in the course of their lifetime. This small percent is responsible for the vast majority of human misery and crime, and for infecting others with their flawed view of the world.”

That's an excerpt from a most interesting 3-part write-up on sociopathy and psychopathy that presents these important issues in light of the predicament humanity faces: extinction (or close to it)

In other words, we're presented with clues as to how we, supposedly the most intelligent species on the planet, the elevated one, so favored that God himself created us in his image, got ourselves into the present time of crisis and torment for Billions of us, not to mention other beings, hundreds of which go extinct every single day.

It's a fool's errand to go looking for the origin of this or that, much less the origin of evil, but the study of sociopathy provides vital clues to understanding modern society and its culture.


  1. Thank You Satish. The 6% also applies to good things. All sorts of change happens with 6 to 16%.

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  2. Hi Satish,

    What an interesting essay. Thanks for posting it. The genetic connection was something I didn't know about but, of course, there had to be one. The parasite metaphor is very apt, and now the parasite is destroying the host.
    Here in the UK, an excellent example of a psychopath with real power in government would be our Chancellor (finance secretary) George Osbourne. Our Prime Minister David Cameron is just a fool who went to Eton with him.
    I've studied this nasty George (his real name is Gideon) ever since he's had power. The psychos in business are not as visible as he is but this nasty specimen is out and about a lot now because of our election in early May. His eyes are always ice cold, and as the old saying goes: the eyes are the windows of the soul. No matter how broad his smile, his eyes won't play along. He's also the main driver behind his party's (Conservative) austerity policies, slashing the social capital of this country where ever he can, in the typical way as described in this essay.
    Another psychopath out and about at the moment here in Britain is the leader of UKIP (United Kingdom Independence Party) Nigel Farage. This party is part of the Neo-Liberal constellation basing its appeal on anti-immigrant policies. Outwardly, against immigrants from the EU which they want to leave. In reality, they are the UK equivalent of the Tea Party. Their policies are almost identical: populist, against the Other, harping back to the good old times of the British Empire and making people feel resentful of all they things they can't have because of whatever (choose your subject) but mainly THE foreigners taking from them.
    This nasty specimen does what Hitler was so successful in doing. He speaks almost exclusively in front of his party faithful.
    Many non-Germans don't know that the pictures and news reels they see of Nazi crowds cheering their leader were pictures and film of carefully selected people. Hitler did speak to open crowds in Munich (his old strong hold) but always in closed venues outside of Bavaria. He was especially hated in the North and Berlin, strongholds of the Socialists. But of course, Hitler and his ilk became so powerful so quickly that it was highly dangerous to speak against him. So most of the population kept their heads down. In Nazi Germany you have a good example of the 6% getting to power very quickly and leaving utter devastation behind, only 12 years of power! This is precisely the reason why Nazi Germany is so memorable, so imprinted as evil on the human psyche. It was like a thunderbolt. These psychos also fed off the ordinary population. But no lessons were learnt. Why am I not surprised? But I'm sure the psychopaths have learned from that rise to power. They operate in a much more clever way now, always hiding in plain sight but the devastation they've brought us is plain to see everywhere. And the good old trusting people are more foolish than ever.
    So now we're ruled by them and their foolish hand-maidens (knaves). Peaceful protest is useless, even though I still indulge in it once in a while. What a paradox!

    1. Hi Sabine, you get it like very very few do. A fresh breath of air as I gasp for some oxygen. It's suffocating to be among people who insist on defending the modern system of hierarchies and the leaders that rule them. Many still believe that their leaders are taking care of things, that they have a trick or two up their sleeves that will keep us safe from the things to come.

      Thanks for the survey of the political landscape (I heard of UKIP on RT, American media doesn't cover it much, if at all).

  3. Quick thought (armchair detective mode):

    Psychopaths "develop" other potential psychopaths. There might even be borderline psychopaths who could swing one way or another, depending on the environment. The modern science of the brain is also reputed for a potential to stave off psychopathy through knowledge. But also, can there be anti-psychopaths? A category of people who are genetically conditioned to be altruistic--slaves to a benign system of thought--that also has the potential to take over at 6% and above? If so, could those anti-psychopaths develop others of their kind? In general, why isn't simply promoting the anti-psychopathic agenda not preferable to trying to defeat psychopaths? Isn't it likely that two opposing systems coincide until one or the other "takes over" in the public sphere. Just wondering...

    1. Hi Artleads, good points. I believe there are plenty of borderline psychopaths everywhere who do the bidding of the full-blown psychopaths. Because our culture shapes us, and because our culture is largely shaped by those in charge, i.e. full-blown psychopaths, the borderline psychopaths show promise at a very young age and are easily molded.

      I doubt the anti-psychopaths are a match for their polar opposites. The anti-psychopaths are those that are extremely sensitive and highly empathetic, and reserved and non-aggressive. Usually they end up working in dead-end non-profits or charities or become teachers or volunteer at homeless shelters or otherwise do the most loving acts that others look down upon cynically. I don't know how such folks can match the aggressive control-minded psychopaths.

      The anti-psychopaths eventually end up serving the power structures because that's where sustenance is to be found. Many times, and unwittingly too, they even support the psychopaths. We all support them, one way or another because there's no way but to participate in the systems created by them. There's hardly anything left outside. The world has been more or less financialized (assigned a monetary value, further value-added, and traded). What's Facebook if not a way to assign value to human relationships and interactions?

    2. "I doubt the anti-psychopaths are a match for their polar opposites."

      Since this is just a discussion, I will experiment with ideas. Assumptions: Psychopaths are as psychopaths do. Psychopaths and anti-psychopaths do different things. Psychopathy is systemic. It is not defined by the solitary individual, but by what the individual is enmeshed within and what the individual effects.

      Psychopathic Effects:

      1) First world aid money is dispensed to poor societies with no attention to gender. Since the men (who are enmeshed in a psychopathic, dominating trance) will naturally get the money, they spend it gambling, drinking and mistreating the women.

      2) Aid is targeted at the women. They spend it securing food, health care and education for the children.

      The women (anti-psychopathic) and the men (psychopathic) do entirely different things, take on different roles, and don't compete like for like. The women might well take on jobs away from the spotlight that might bespeak timidity. But that doesn't make them ineffective. "Powerlessness" might well be useful under certain circumstances. Like not being intimidating, or like fostering cooperation and kindness.

      If we continue this line of reasoning, we can imagine psychopathy (which hides in plain sight) has created a trance of indifference to land development. It just seems normal to the borderline and coopted masses. But let's say it isn't normal in the least bit, and accounts greatly for the demise of wilderness, forestry, clean water, on and on. Anti-psychopathy would have a power equal to psychopathy if larger and larger groups of people change their views on development. They wouldn't have to stop development; they would only need not to enable it. That alone would stop it. Anti-psychopathy could therefore work from a position of seeming weakness and passivity (not the same game plan as psychopathy's) if a large group of people--more than 6%--could change their views.

  4. Sabine - so glad to see your return. I was getting worried about your health & realizing we will not know what happened when a tribe mate is gone. Please know that I am aware of problems with Angela Merkel & every leader. I just try to appreciate the few things any of them do on what I hope happens to be the right track. Doing everything I can this year to convince myself that all is not hopeless. Sharing some of the process in my Dept is a way of convincing myself not to let go yet. Reading each of you. Thinking. Balancing. Debating the safest course of action - including doing nothing. I greatly appreciate your incredible insight here and on NBL. Flying out of this Dept & D.C. in a few hours to go look at the world in another way. Sailing & dolphins is a weekend contrast in POV.

    ARTLEADS - Yes Yes Yes - "can there be anti-psychopaths? A category of people who are genetically conditioned to be altruistic--slaves to a benign system of thought--that also has the potential to take over at 6% and above? If so, could those anti-psychopaths develop others of their kind? " Last night I was reading Satish in 2014 where he wrote a large article entitled the "sociopath next door?" SATISH once applied to work for property Mgt in Bay area. I keep learning things about Satish. But at the end I thought why so much focus on the bad elements? Our TV news also bombards us with scary stories about crazy people. Even OLD GROWTH FOREST admits all those True Crime & ID theft TV shows alter our POV. (And they are real problems - please don't get me wrong) But some how a return to old fashioned trust. Small communities. Native natural lifestyles is worth keeping in our hearts & dreams.

    OLD GROWTH FOREST - I keep thinking how you should be published. Did you ever write a book, script, collection of stories??? Maybe I could help because I do still have connections with Steven Spielberg (As I have explained in great detail here on KuKu if you go back to much info about my father, childhood, Student work at Universal on E.T.) Spielberg is a major director with connections to almost everyone in L.A. NYC
    You have my personal e-mail so let me know if there is anything in the future you would like to create or have done in the past. Your description of the crying child clinging to big dad's leg in market was done with great talent & insight. All my best if I can help make your writing "Castle" dream come true. You have my cell number also so maybe we can chat some weekend while I am in Miami. I wake up early on East Coast time. Mid-day off the grid with the dolphin pod near Elliott key. Return to Coconut Grove Marina Sunday afternoon. I take my cell ph to the pool when I go to play swimming Grizzly with the kids.

    1. Hi Mark,

      I've been out and about in the landscape and my garden. There's so much to do and enjoy at the moment. Our spring over here is particularly beautiful this year or is it just my perception (my "prayer" as you've put it). Everything is shining and growing fast as if to say: Look at me, look at us, we're still here. Join us...and I do, I'm compelled to.

      As you're a sailor I must tell you this quickly: Earlier this morning I was listening to the Radio and they had an English yachtsman on the programme, I didn't catch his name. He was talking about switching off the GPS "pulling the plug" as he called it and navigating by the stars whenever he could. As part of this conversation he described sitting in a calm Caribbean sea at night with no lights and a beautiful starry sky above. Because at night, there's no visible horizon, he described this experience like sitting in a "bowl of stars", completely surrounded by stars. That really got me, and I thought that's one experience I would like to have before I die. How truly connected any person must feel. How could anybody feel separate experiencing that? How lucky you sailors are. I like to imagine that you've had moments just like that.

      Artleads, I'll try and get to the space of your conversation about the feminine/masculine thing maybe later today. I haven't even read it yet. It's an age-old subject.

  5. hey Mark - thanks for the link with Yucca. reading the latest updates confirms my thought that it is dead:

    "On The Ground Accomplishments: Today the Yucca Mountain site has been abandoned and nothing exists but a boarded up exploratory tunnel; there are no waste disposal tunnels, receiving and handling facilities, and the waste containers and transportation casks have yet to be developed. Moreover, there is no railroad to the site, and the cost to build a railroad through Nevada could exceed $3 billion. Today, the only thing that actually exists at Yucca Mountain is single 5 mile exploratory tunnel."

    at least one recent update article (all I have time to read atm) also basically confirmed this:

  6. MO FLOW - A personal note to you in our "court" before this one flies over the D.C. KuKu nest. The only aspect of Yucca that is not dead is continued planning and research for site use. Doubt it will be totally abandoned if any future use can be found. Active for potential but certainly not active in Action.

    Would love to get SABINE & OGF thoughts on the conversation you & ARTLEADS started about "feminine-masculine". Cool flow on that excellent topic in Voluntary Simplicity above.

    Empty nest syndrome. Hope SATISH is okay? Healthy hugs till I return.

    1. Hi Mark,

      I happen to think there's little in common between the feminine-masculine split and the male-female split. Gender is a social construct and has little to do with the feminine and the masculine aspects of creation, the way we understand them today. There were cultures where the men stayed home while the women went to war. Iroquois men were elected as chiefs but the men were elected by the women.

      That being said, we should listen to the women a lot more. Just as we should listen to other races, other cultures, and other beings.

    2. As usual, it's a man who says we should do this, we should do that :)

  7. Dear Satish/OGF/Sabine,

    Mark, Mo and I have been busily discussing "masculine" vs "feminine". It is most important for us to hear from the women in our circle. If you can join us, please go to 2013, then C/F September 9, and the comments for the Voluntary Simplicity thread will be right there. Do have a wonderful weekend. :-)

    1. Nice :) I didn't think I'd see the day so soon when you'd tell us to use C/F. Glad you're comfortable with navigation now! Thanks, mo, for the trick.

  8. I just posted this on Batter Up NBL forum:

    This (the current article) is about theories of psychopathy, and I include the link partly to put in a plug for Satish's blog:

    But it struck me also, that land developers are psychopathic. How can anybody looking at the living earth, then fighting to smother it with paving, not be a psychopath?

    1. Exactly! That's precisely what psychopathy is about: control. Choosing to exert control over life. Of course, it helps to call it inanimate first so those borderline psychopaths will buy in and help with the pillage.

  9. Thanks very much Satish for the mention here. For anyone who is interested, some time ago I put the three parts together in a single post here:

    1. Hi Richard, what a treasure trove your blog is! Few people articulate these issues about psychopathy and sociopathy as well as you do. And even few connect the dots to this subject the way you do. Thanks for introducing me to Political Ponerology. What a find!

      The thing that is most fascinating (and also most painful) to me is that so many of us, having failed to see the critical role of the psychopath in the course of our history, proceed to understand the current situation in stochastic, meta-physical, religious or other terms.

      Actually, when I think about it, it makes sense at one level. Human beings are like any other beings and have no reason to suspect that there's anything wrong with the stories they are brought up with. Why would we even consider the idea that our leaders are not who they say they are?

  10. Hi Satish,

    We have another good example of a psychopath hiding in plain sight here in the UK at the moment. He's a member of the House of Lords, a Labour peer (in other words, a kind of socialist) who is 86 and now suffers from dementia, Lord Jenner.

    He had been sited in a court case of a paedophile in the early 90s. 25 people have accused him since of sexual abuse (when they were boys and young teens) but he denied it, of course! He was a Labour MP at the time and the head of the Jewish Council here in the UK working with and for Holocaust survivors. His standing in his party and society was very high. So everybody closed ranks.
    Now he was to stand trial because of plenty of good evidence having been collected by the police who had looked at the cases again. However, it was ruled that he was too frail for the case to go to court. He was also one of the people who had always argued that Nazi perpetrators should stand trial, no matter how frail and old - the irony of it.

    These are my thoughts on this despicable saga: I think that there are no conspiracies in cases like this, when "ranks close". It's more likely that psychos like that don't only groom their prospective victims but also their "environment", their "tribe". Then they can truly hide in this carefully groomed "cradle". Their peers simply don't want to be associated, they don't want "it" to be true - no conspiracy, and the more something is denied and "not proven", the more these very "clever and charming" men get away with it. A lot of long term planning may go into this, and they know that they can rely on the people in the tribe to rally round. I think that this is a psychological mechanism that's often overlooked and would, of course, explain a lot.
    There are other examples, here in England, of men who were famous for doing "good works in the community", Jimmy Saville, a BBC disk jockey in the 70s, is one who's notoriety might have even made it into the US news.
    As Richard notes in his essay, or maybe in one of his others (I've been reading his excellent blog): People can't believe that their leaders could deceive them, and why should they? (paraphrased). How true!

    1. Hi Sabine, "A lot of long term planning may go into this, and they know that they can rely on the people in the tribe to rally round." I look back into the history of our financial systems, of money, of propaganda, etc. and it's fascinating to find a method to the madness that history is usually made out to be. It's anything but. Someone said History is just one damned thing after another. But it's not just any damned thing after another. It's quite well orchestrated. And those who plan it carefully may not be known to the public but they are well known among the people who matter to them. Also, many of these plans are hardly secretive. Not these days anyway! They have been written about and lectured on.

      Most people have little reason to suspect their leaders as long as things go well for them, as long as they are getting a fair share of the pie. In general, I find rural people a lot more savvy and wary of the course of events in History (and current events) than the educated city folk. It makes sense, since the purpose of schooling is not to provide a well-rounded education but to filter out the most obedient and turn them into disciplined minds. Some of these go on to work in academia and write books and train future generations and turn them into people just like themselves.

      The planners might not have imagined they would meet with such good success.

    2. This is so true Satish,

      and exactly my experience. It also solves the "puzzle" of "highly educated" people thinking so little about what should matter to them now. All the ones I know keep themselves busy, busy and never take time to contemplate and look at the world outside their safe box. It's the result of the obedience you're talking about which is a bonus to the planners, absolutely! I'm sure they never imagined to be so successful, to make people so willingly obedient.
      I'm still tempted to despair, wanting to say to/shout at "good educated" friends and family: "Just inform yourselves, think it through and join the dots"! However, people actively avoid this kind of thinking/contemplation, so I gave up long ago.
      Therefore, how can somebody like us find things in common with the often very "intelligent" people around us? With family, I talk about "family things, memories we share and what else?...
      With friends, we might share meals and small talk. Here in England that's the thing to do anyway. And people like to talk about vacations, the ones they've been on or the ones they're planning, their children, grandchildren, the restaurants they like and on and on and on...
      How can we not feel separate, isolated?
      On the other hand I really do feel very connected to my immediate environment (for want of a better word) because I know it so intimately, and I experience true, incredible interaction which cannot be described adequately because words tend to devalue the experience. It's one of the reasons why I don't want to move now, ever again. Building up such relationships takes time.
      Therefore relating to just a few humans, even far away like the ones here or reading my favourite poets, writers, bloggers - even when it seems to be one-sided - is enough to keep me content.

    3. Happy Earth Day SABINE. I know it's a silly thing to say but today I'm trying to only think about past travels, including all those beautiful gardens in Southern England. Looking forward to your Guy meeting report after April 29th.

      "I'm still tempted to despair", me too - but I'll focus on healthy happy wishes for everyone. Next time I anchor out under the stars you'll be on board in my mind.

    4. Dear Sabine,

      That was a nice note to (a certain person) telling her to get help. I contacted her by email, and it seems that she has some (not disclosed?) (psychological?) (physical?) distress of great seriousness, for which she finds relief in pot. The trouble, she says, is that she ran out of pot, and can't find any more. (I don't understand it. Why did she not make it a priority to procure a reliable supply ahead of time? How can she have no one nearby to turn to for help?) Anyway, she sounds as messed up as can be. Does anyone have any idea how a possibly suicidal veteran can get cannabis to possibly save their life? Then again, I don't know whether there are laws prohibiting sharing such information. Terrible state of affairs.

    5. Artleads, yes,

      I knew she got relief from pot. It's terrible, she seems so paranoid which might be a symptom of smoking ever stronger pot for decades. Her vacations in Jamaica, she might not be able to afford them now. Poor woman. She is in her early 50s, I think, with failed relationships. She has at least one daughter but lives alone somewhere on the Oregon coast in a rented beach house. Six month or more ago, she comments on the thread she started on the NBL forum that the lease was not a long-term one. So, she might have the extra pressure of having to find somewhere new to live. What does she live on, I wonder? You probably figured all that out too and more from her comments and your email contact.
      But what can we do? Please don't break off your direct contact and give her my best wishes (for what it's worth). Sometimes enough attention helps, let's hope it will.

    6. I'm not entirely happy with the tone of this, Sabine. are you being sarcastic here, with the vacation comment? that feels wrong, to me. can we please keep the public discussion to best wishes, real concern for a fellow aware human who is suffering, and if more is required, save it for direct contact? just my feelings.

    7. Thanks, Sabine, for the April 22, 2015 at 7:30 AM comment. It's been a couple of years since I started seriously questioning the value of my education and the whole schooling-university paradigm. I'm wary every time the word "intelligence" is used. Someone who comes up with a smart and more efficient way to exploit or extract resources is considered very intelligent in modern society and we reward them with money. Something's amiss in this story. I was out in the neighborhood and saw a "Smart Kids Academy" for grade school kids and it made me wonder just what "smart" means these days.

  11. I forgot to say that "grooming one's environment" , the way I put it in the comment above, is precisely that: control.

    I think this really links in well. "Grooming one's environment" can stand as an perfect euphemism for "control". Pronounce it in a posh English accent and even the Queen could use it.

  12. like sitting in a "bowl of stars" calm, clear, moonless - motionless. Lay still in surrender. Then you float up out of your mind to feel how the entire cosmos is moving. It is all breathing & gliding. A dance in space. Waves & waves of wonder. No more inside - or - outside. You see the red shift and the's not so big after's full of energy...making a universe & U too.

    1. "It's not so big after all."

      It takes me just 24 hours to travel to the other side of the planet. The planet is so small!

  13. Hi Satish,

    I think you're starting to make a difference with your comments on NBL. It seems that you're sowing a few seeds, getting the conversation to where it should be. Yours isn't just skilful, wonderful writing but truly genuine showing your character, integrity and insightful knowledge. Most people never get there, even if they live to be 100 years old.
    I feel I rarely want to contribute my comments there now, and one of the reasons is that you say it all and so much better than me. I mean that!

    It's good to have you in the world. You're a rare human being.

    After having read your latest comments over there a moment ago, I just had to say this.

    1. Good to read that. It's hard sometimes when people drop in and read your comment and mis-interpret something and take issue with it. So I had to clarify. I'm the last person who will say the control paradigm that modern man is involved in is going well. Far from it.

      I like the community there on NBL though. And the one here.

  14. you say it all and so much better than me. I mean that! Also you have said it all before as I continue to read & re-read your 2014 articles. Glad you are a voice for us who can never say it in the right way. Expect for gping totally off the grid again...being human in modern times = dealing with complex issues. I will assume that normal people have a range of thoughts during the day & week. Personally I try to look at all sorts of things from a range of perspectives. Then there are hours, like this lunch time, where most of all I like my life, reading, sharing a bit of my POV on the good & bad. Might as well be connected for this short time. This is all a gift which will not last because no matter what life moves on. Thanks.

    1. Hi Mark, good to see you checking out a bunch of my older articles. I left breadcrumbs so anyone coming upon my site could follow the tracks and add them up to gain a unique perspective on the world. It's not an authoritative or the only valid perspective. There's no such thing. But I think it's fairly unique. I have seen people say many of the same things but never quite the way I saw things so I had to write it out myself.

      Glad you're able to see the connections and finding something of value in all those words.

    2. Mike K. on NBL tried to post here. I like reading him. Yesterday on NBL I provided a short review of your 44 articles in 2014. Unique because they are also only available here - unless you are published in other places?

      Crazy power point presentation today on generating energy from "viral" static sources. Could be used on cell ph keypads. But my mind wandered off to sea. Some remote places today are similar to long ago. Not all my time in Costa Rica was busy. It was a luxury to have hundreds of acres of ancient rainforest alone. Rather than 1999 it could have been 1555 or more ancient...but I think the nature providing Earth would have been about the same for any lone shaman or a small tribe. For the most part it was simple and not that tough. Easier than being here today as long as you were willing to do daily chores like finding fruit (bananas & Coconuts were always in season) I never had much luck catching fish because I did not have gear. A very small population with large land areas to "gather" is easy. But I know I was not born in that world, nor did a few low outside contact months truly equal real years of experience. But except for dire medical emergencies I think ancient tribes on the Nicoya Coast had it better than rich people today.

    3. I like Mike K.'s writing too. He's a wise man and he's been around. I remember when he mentioned visiting the New York World's Fair in the 30's!

      The stuff on this blog exist only here. I didn't attempt to publish the essays elsewhere or disseminate these thoughts before coming upon NBL.

      I'm still confused about radiation eating nano things. Energy from viral static sources... is that like friction between the finger and the keypad on the cell phone? Not sure if that's substantial enough to light up the screen. I keep coming across really bizarre "inventions". There was the whole thing about fuel cells and Bloom Energy. 60 Minutes did a piece on them and now we don't hear much.

      Indigenous peoples are said to divert less than 1% of the energy flow in their habitats for their own uses. I saw a documentary on the Aborigines and they dig up turtle eggs but take only half of them and leave the rest behind so there will be enough turtles. And this is in the modern age when they have power boats to hunt ocean turtles. California Indians are said to have used soap root which contains mild toxins to stun the fish in a creek and they would just pick them up. Life comes from life and life is sustained by killing. Even vegetarians have to take life to sustain themselves. I think what sets indigenous people apart is their reverence and respect for life and the care they demonstrate when they take life, kill a deer, catch salmon, etc. I think our ancestors walked the forest floor like a bee checks out the various flowers in bloom and visits each of them and sips a little nectar leaving enough for the other bees. Humans must have roamed their land with the same care, taking a little here and there but leaving most if it intact. Some cultures picked up and moved every 12 years to let the space they were living in to regenerate without interference. During regeneration, the space was sacred and off-limits to everyone.

      Yes, when it comes to medical emergencies, modern medicine excels, but I doubt the ancients had much need for it. They knew about bone-setting, fractures, dislocations and how to heal them. And they didn't have very many visits to the medicine man for bullet wounds :) OK, I know... I want to defend the ancient way and not give in even one bit to the modern way :)

      Years ago I used to work for a software company, the Billionaire founder of which went to Africa for Safari one time. He and his guide somehow enraged a bull elephant one morning and it charged them and stomped on the founder and smashed his leg into smithereens. He survived and recovered just fine thanks to the helicopter dispatch and the miracles of modern medicine. I highly doubt though that the ancients were falling prey to bull elephants in masth. They knew how to read the nature around them, down to the tiniest detail. They listened very well to tracks and sounds and scents. They knew the routes and paths the animals take and their patterns. I highly doubt any of them would have met the same fate and died due to lack of modern emergency medicine. People say all the time that early man was running scared of the saber tooth tiger and lived in caves to get away from predators. There's a lot of projection going on there. And much fear of nature and animals.

    4. Hi Satish,

      What you are saying there about the ancients "....walking the forest floor like a bee checks out the various flowers in bloom...." is something that I have thought of too. It's must have been that way partly because, based on my own experience and intuition, that's exactly what I do now, even though I have to imagine ancient abundance and take very little. I think we all have this in us still, deeply buried and only accessible to people who, for some reason or other, have realised that this kind of knowledge and being is still available. I've got there in my very own way, walking and foraging over many years exactly as you say "taking a little here and there but leaving most of it intact". Even on my own, without "elder"s to teach me where to go and what to look for, I learned quickly that there is only way of doing this. It's quite marvellous, you listen inside yourself and just "know". Confidence in your intuition is vital and maybe, for a modern person, being a little anarchic.

      Long ago, when people still lived and respected an intact world of which they felt a true part, there must have been abundance that most of us can't imagine. They can't because they project their modern limited experience and imagination, stunted by modern education, onto ancient living communities (humans, animals, plants and so-called inanimate things) which they have been told were primitive. Just like you said.
      I think that long ago communities would not have lived as much in the forests as we might imagine now. The remnants of the tribes modern anthropologists studied probably moved into forest areas in order to get away from "civilized" people. They fled into parts which were either of no "value" or too dangerous for the civilised.
      I think that originally people lived by rivers and along the seaside. Seafood and fish are excellent protein, and the rivers and creeks would have been brimming with mussels and crayfish tool. And the seaside! Huge breeding colonies of birds would have provided more good protein, and some of the best food plants grow abundantly by the sea, even now, let alone seaweed/vegetables. All of this must have been very easy to harvest. The ancients would have "cultivated" some of the food plants by cutting them again and again so as to encourage new tasty growth over a long period. I do this now with some wild herbs. I have my favourite spots which I "cultivate" exactly like that. So they would have taking only as much as they needed knowing that the food would always be there. All this, and I haven't even mentioned medicinal herbs.
      Modern archaeologists are thinking on these lines now. Here's a quote from a British archaeologist, Barry Cunliffe, from his book " Europe between the Oceans, 9000 BC-AD 1000: "In offering this overview of Mesolithic society in Europe, we have emphasized communities occupying coastal regions......Much of the best evidence we have, comes from coastal regions because it is here, in the highly favoured resource-rich zone of the European littoral, where hunter-gatherers chose to settle " life-style" is probably much older. It just makes sense. The people took to the forests much later, not before the need arose.

      Because there's so little "hard" evidence, we must look inside ourselves, use our vision. I've done this in my relationship with plants. Once you do this, things just fall into place. It's like magic. You do this too.

    5. Hi Sabine,

      "Even on my own, without "elder"s to teach me where to go and what to look for, I learned quickly that there is only way of doing this. It's quite marvellous, you listen inside yourself and just "know". Confidence in your intuition is vital and maybe, for a modern person, being a little anarchic."

      They say an indigenous child learned everything he or she needed to survive in the habitat by the age of 12. Part of it is learning from elders but much was owed to their own observational and listening skills. In a way, those same skills were helpful in absorbing what the elders had to teach, after all. I think the key is "confidence in one's intuition" which today is highly compromised for most of us moderns. We're taught through discipline and rules and "good habits" and by force how to act and how to think. A thoroughly artificial environment as the one we grow up in these days calls for such means to teach a child the proper way to survive in a harsh competitive environment. So it works, as far as survival, is concerned. As we see on NBL, some believe that survival is the only goal of any species on Earth. That and to reproduce. It's as if our reason to exist is to live just long enough to be able to reproduce. The selfish gene theory and other such mindsets have robbed entire generations of modern man of something that indigenous peoples enjoy at a most fundamental level: to live life with a basic sense of security and safety, a sense that they are taken care of, a sense of purpose and just plain joy of being alive. Instead, we have a paranoid society addicted to all sorts of substances and behaviors, a deep sense of falling short, of not being enough, of sacrificing today to stay alive tomorrow, and constantly looking for meaning and purpose.

      "The remnants of the tribes modern anthropologists studied probably moved into forest areas in order to get away from "civilized" people. They fled into parts which were either of no "value" or too dangerous for the civilised."

      I can see how it would have happened that way. Humans are extremely adaptable and many tribes did flee into the upper reaches of the mountains or other isolated places to avoid the fate of neighboring tribes that fell to the invading hordes of civilized men. I'm reminded of the story of Ishi, the last of his tribe called the Yahi, who emerged from the mountains where he was hiding out with his family for years into White civilization -

      I have much more to say but will stop now. Thanks for the book suggestion. Always good to hear your perspective and see how you connect your daily life and your observations of it to thoughts on human nature and "how it might have been". I tend to do this a lot these days. It's essentially a practice of empathy with our ancestors and even those who are still alive today who are closer to nature than some of us are.

    6. Hi Satish,

      Just like you, I have so much more to say on this too, having lived with these thoughts and the practical experiences they gave me (gifted me) for so long now.
      I really do think that a person who is aware, truly open to these intuitions, can trigger something inside that is connecting. How you get there is very personal, I think. Just like the think Mike K over on NBL is trying to get through to Diarmuid (whatnot). It's almost like creating a new level of being here, connecting with some ancestral memory which surely must exist. I'm glad you're on the same track. It's always nice to think you're not the only one.
      Everything you say about the selfish gene, this one-sided interpretation of evolution, has shaped our modern Western society, driving everybody insane and now the rest of the world too. The toxic legacy of European enlightenment.

      Talking about books: I've just ordered Arundhati Roy's Capitalism, A Ghost Story. She calls India "a gush-up economy that has corrupted contemporary India" and shows "how the demands of capitalism has subjugated billions (all over the world) of people to racism and exploitation, making these exploited people into ghosts, hence the title.
      Have you read it? If not, it sounds as if it's worth reading too. Connecting some more of the dots... as if we didn't know.... but it's still good to read when somebody tells the story really well. I can never get enough of good story telling, helping me to broaden my mind.

      I'd love to hear more of your thoughts on all of this....when you have the time and inclination.

    7. I just found Capitalisum Ghost Story on-line. Really like reading both of you above. Sorry the stuff I deal with in D.C. brings me here in order to get away from "civilized" people. Reading you reminds me of good people away from these who are so harsh. My Ranger Marco years were so organic and peaceful disconnected from human "electric" energies. Getting out to sea is also mind cleansing... "never get enough of good story telling"

    8. Satish -

      "We're taught through discipline and rules and "good habits" and by force how to act and how to think."

      wow. that system and I did sooooo not get along when I was growing up. I hated it with a cold passion. it took me a loooong time to stop having nightmares that were based on my years of attempted indoctrination by this system. happy to say the system failed, miserably. :)

      but yes, this kind of "discipline and rules" method was centrally important for the cancer being as successful as it was. absolutely key.

      now - very important... this is not to imply, of course, that the indigenous did not and do not have their own forms of discipline and rules oriented systems. it is, as always, the energy behind the particular system that is key: the energy of naturally balanced life force vs. the the energy of unnaturally consuming death force. health vs. cancer.

  15. This video concerns my neck of the woods. Nate McDowell is a tree physiologist who works out of Los Alamos.

    1. Thanks for the link, Artleads. There's an infestation of pine trees in the North West. Dry weather and lack of humidity is reducing the pine trees' ability to make sap which guards against the pine beetle normally. Moreover, the pine beetle doesn't usually survive the cold temperatures of the winters here but the winters are not that cold anymore and the beetles are thriving and the pines are dying. Balance is upset.

  16. Hi Artleads, I just saw one of your comments on a recent thread on NBL:

    Artleads Says:
    April 22nd, 2015 at 2:42 pm
    “Habitat is too fragmented along with all the other issues (nitrogen/sulphur dioxide/ozone in air, acid in oceans, water pollution, soil degradation etc. etc. etc.)”

    IMO, it’s much harder to get one’s mind around “nitrogen/sulphur dioxide/ozone in air, acid in oceans, water pollution, soil degradation” than it is habitat fragmentation. There, the issue is extremely simple: land development on open land. Hardly anybody is clear that open land is habitat for that unraveling web of life. And the development of open land, in turn, removes vegetation, topsoil, clean water that could help mitigate existing bad stuff, and enables that bad stuff to proliferate. It’s an absolutely vicious cycle, and it could be stopped by saying NO to developers. So how come development/developers is such a non-issue among us?


    It's interesting to see the definition of "improved land" in the United States. Land that is just land is only worth so much. But put a septic tank in it and it's improved and fetches a slightly higher price. Add a service like a public road and the value goes up a bit more. Add electricity, municipal water and cable TV, and the value is now double that of the original unimproved land. This is just how our economic system is set up. Developers are powerful. They're converting pristine hillsides into tract homes to meet the burgeoning demand for housing in Silicon Valley. I have friends who commute 1.5 hours each way from their suburban residences to their work in the valley. There's a lot of politics and the conservation world is in itself a whole another thing that is part of the big picture. We're talking about the ranchers who want to let their cattle graze on federal lands and then we have those who say the cattle are compacting the grounds and killing native grasses.

    Cities are generally about raising the value of the land held within their boundaries as "Imperial San Francisco", the excellent book by Gray Brechin shows. The wealthy families who "rule" their cities have much more power than the residents and politicians.

    1. Satish,

      Thank you so much for following up and adding clear analysis to the matter. I'll cut and paste this to my land use thread on the forum. I also LOVE what you say about the ancients reading the landscape. Whole different paradigm, everybody and everything integrated. Different way of thinking, different way of solving problems, proactivity rather than reactivity, avoiding the problem in the first place. You can explain this much better than I can.

    2. " I have friends who commute 1.5 hours each way from their suburban residences to their work in the valley. There's a lot of politics and the conservation world is in itself a whole another thing that is part of the big picture. We're talking about the ranchers who want to let their cattle graze on federal lands and then we have those who say the cattle are compacting the grounds and killing native grasses."

      I've met Grey Brechin, BTW, and was involved with part of his earlier book, something like Awakening from the California Dream. (Never quite understood the title.)

      I don't understand the issue with cattle and native vegetation, so I might resort to aesthetic guidance, whatever its limitation: The massive influx of cattle correlated to the massive influx of humans. Too many cattle in the wrong places, driving out wild creatures.

      I don't know how you rewild the countryside. Some say leave it alone and it will rewild itself. I'm not so sure. I remember reading some writing by Fukuoka which suggested ways to dramatically revegetate desert-looking hillside through layering it with some substances I didn't note. I also saw the same effect in Brazil (?) through simply planting trees. John Liu talks about importing biomass from the tropics, and (apparently) just spreading it over dry areas as a way to revegetate them. Permaculture? And am I wrong about confining food systems entirely to cities? What if permaculture in degraded extra-urban land could simultaneous supply tons more food and non destructive human habitat? The proof would be in the pudding: whether wild species proliferate or not.

      But what about the cattle? Distribute them around the planet, where a few here and there can do some good? Slaughter some and deep freeze meat (with what energy?) against looming food catastrophe? Move some to the cities, where (IMO) all human food systems should relocate? Of course, goats are better scaled for cities than cows. But looking at global city space in aggregate, there's probably enough space to relocate all the planet's cattle.

      Commutes: It's somewhere along the lines of confining food production to the cities. There's almost unlimited opportunity for "add-on" tiny habitat within the built environment. Abandoned buildings, government buildings, second-story-over-malls construction, basements under single family homes...

      This is probably long enough. It's an unbelievable privilege to have like minded response to a subject area where I often feel no one is listening or comprehending.

  17. Hi ARTLEADS - I'm a very big fan of "Add-on" which includes the Pan Am tower over Central Station & Hearst news tower NYC. I also want to tell you how much I think about your forest habitat vision you wrote somewhere on here months ago. Before I got involved in current projects I used to sketch ideas of an all "natural" planet with only a small amount of "Green Communities". One of towns was a perfect version of old Santa Fe & canyon rd art district. Every small scale good thing on Earth is included. Composting. Organic roof gardens. Wind mills. You get the idea. I still go back to my sketch dream pad. Certainly in current times "Add-on" is important in our urban centers. If only I have more time to play with healthy community designs....but for now I feel the nice visions are in jeopardy of extinction due to huge man-made destructive forces.

    Luckily the simple math of INFINITY allows all things to be possible. Even contrasting concepts can exist in separate spheres in the vastness of infinity. Room for everything. Plenty of room for all sorts of reincarnation in trillions of varieties.

    I think The main point of Satish & Mike K is just that anything created can be co-opted. Reincarnation is real for millions .... and it can be used for millions of bad excuses, leverage & dismissal of responsibility.

    Sadly anything in INFINITY can be distorded in hundreds of ways. So for here and now on Earth we learn. Test limits & hopefully carry on to other future realities to **promote what is desired** I love that! (along with learning from many mistakes that should not be carried on.)

    Time to make the final weekend commute to Miami. Jim & I will be preparing to sail up to Chesapeake Bay. Will spend the summer living aboard the boat in Potomac marina. Giving up the Georgetown winter rental and downsizing again. If it don't float it won't be on my boat which does not have infinite space at all. LOL

    1. Mark,

      It's good to know you also are an urban dreamer. I've seen the most creative uses of space. It's catching on, but a little speed might help. Or the wise ones might simply say, all in its own sweet time. (It's like with athletics, where you are told not to try and speed up to outdo a threat from behind; just keep your stride instead.)

      "I think The main point of Satish & Mike K is just that anything created can be co-opted. Reincarnation is real for millions .... and it can be used for millions of bad excuses, leverage & dismissal of responsibility."

      So, yes. Seven billion people, each with different belief system. (Or maybe just a disorganized smorgasbord of beliefs.) But I can at least try to bypass those beliefs, and center on what will make for better practical outcomes for all of us. Food, "economy," independence, "happiness," etc. It's a little like doodling over junk mail. You turn a circle into a head and continue in like manner till you have an entire new scene, but you have destroyed nothing that was there before. Actually, this is how I see the urban "add-on" principle working too.

      "Luckily the simple math of INFINITY allows all things to be possible. Even contrasting concepts can exist in separate spheres in the vastness of infinity. Room for everything. Plenty of room for all sorts of reincarnation in trillions of varieties."

      To be honest, this is how I see it here and now, in this worldly sphere. Everything being true...or not true, but all working together as foundation for the superimposed doodle I referred to.

  18. SABINE - please don't stop posting here. You are talented & your perspective is admired. I'd miss your words. Please know everything you say might even be found like cave art someday...sometimes we never see where all our words flow. Don't know if cyber space electrons are recording...but energy does flow into all sorts of hidden dimensions. Both you and Satish are a record of this time. All my best.

  19. Cuba's lesson:

    I'm seeing Satish's aboriginal model rather than such a controlled one as this. Yet, where is there an existing model more progressive?

  20. Artleads, as Sabine mentioned, please also tell Amy for me that I am available to talk if she would like. She once asked me to email her, but did not give contact info, and told her she could always reach me through my ad there at NBL, but I never heard from her.

    Satish, I so wish I had time to comment here with everyone else. I recently wrote to Shep and told him that from now until September I may not be able to write at all! Mid spring to fall in Alaska, roughly now until early October when things should freeze for the winter, is when we all work ourselves to death, if we are subsistence oriented at all. It is when all repairs, all gardening, all fishing, building, etc., must be done or it waits for a whole year. There is not a lot of wiggle room in any direction.

    1. Hi OGF, make hay while the sun shines. Hope you get time to read here once in a while. We will miss you until October. Take good care of yourself!

  21. Mark, I've been reading your comments and I am so sorry for what you must experience knowing up close and personal how truly insane the people in power are. I have thought again and again about your comments, and I know it seems like it should be possible for people to just understand and act in their own best interests. Why are they so seemingly indifferent?

    From my perspective, I give humanity both more and less credit than you do. On one level, we are animals, plain and simple. And even though we are very clever animals, and very creative animals, and in significant ways we are very intelligent animals, we still can no more organize, train, educate, legislate, and manage human beings to interact differently than we can any other animal. This idea that human beings can teach or create processes or lend understanding sufficient to change the core reality we experience ~ the powerful prey on the weak and that humans are capable of devastating destructiveness ~ is not realistic. It's not an accurate understanding of us, I don't believe. It seems like not only should it be possible, given the consequences to the life of everything on Earth, it seems like it should be essential that people would get control over each other or cooperate enough so as to ensure mutual survival.

    I can only ask you, Mark, why do you think it ever got this bad to begin with? Why do you think we are facing assured extinction of most life on earth to the degree that we are? People KNEW in the 60s where we were headed if human beings did not stop plundering and trashing the planet. And what can people do when there are people in power like those now, who are full speed ahead in their raging psychopathy and psychosis?

    I don't think we are all alike. I can barely harm anything. I am traumatized myself by causing suffering, especially to innocents. I can't put chemicals on my lawn, much less drop bombs on living human beings. I'm no fan of Amy Goodman or any of the faux progressives, but Amy did do an article recently and I loved the headline, how much would you pay not to have to kill another human being.

    How much is it worth it to you to get through this human experience without ever killing, much less murdering another human being. How about getting through your life without killing the Earth. What would you give up? Air travel? Cars?

    My dear friend George was a conscientious objector during Vietnam. He refused military service altogether. I have written before about how he was offered a choice, to go to prison, or go to work on an Indian reservation. He chose the reservation, and the Native Americans received one of the finest gifts we were ever given in the latter part of the 20th century, and that man was a great light to us, a source of caring and goodness and healing beyond any other doctor I ever saw in my almost 15 years in the field.

    No one ever said that being a good person was easy. On the contrary, it's something everyone has to do on their own, every day, over and over and over. And we have to do it when no one else will. You have to do it anyway. Peace Pilgrim didn't say she would walk on the earth when humans had learned the way of peace; she said she would walk the earth until humans learned the way of peace.

    Byron Katie would ask you to turn it around, and where is it that you need to rise up and change things? Are you really "helping" where you are? Or would be better off choosing to live more authentically, more directly and more faithfully in the few years we have left, however many they may be. Once you're past 50, it might not be very many anyway.

    No one ever heard of George outside of his field, not like Snowden and others. Some people do the right thing because they know that any cooperation with some things doesn't work. We compromise too much to have the power we need and want.

    1. Beautiful & touching letter. Thank you so much for the deep wisdom. Your words & sensibility will have more impact on me than you may ever know. Very likely I will return to being completely off the grid by next year. Out of responsibility I will complete my contract in D.C. this year. Maybe a "safety" miracle will happen or better yet 300 million will gain total simple common sense! Pray for the simple solution, prepare for nothing to change. Walk away and walk in peace. Being truly at peace & acceptance of all the world directions I probably can't change. Yet I'm happy and at peace with picking up the litter & trying to remove a few animal traps on the long road ahead. Hopefully a cleaner evolution will eventually prevail... far beyond mad men & their war machines today. Have a healthy & constructive summer. Much love & peace to all the pilgrims learning the way.

  22. Hi OGF! Nice to see you again. I delivered Sabine's message while making it clear that we here far away can do zero to help and she must seek help--even from a priest--where she is. I don't know if that helped, or just made her more alienated and hopeless. I'm divided. I want her to know that other humans care enough to make contact. But I'm not that kind and good to dedicate my life to saving other people either.

    Before you shut down the computer contact, I'll at least tell you how to make contact with her:

    - Go to Forum (on the right near top on NBL page).
    - On page that comes up, listing all the forum threads, go to the top and click "My Messages."
    - Then select "Send Message"
    - Then insert amybtravelling in the address to space
    - Then say what you will and send

    As I say for myself, I don't know whether it helps or not. She apparently is being "cyber stalked" by her ex, on top of a host of other problems. But she feels she'd be able to manage if she could only get weed. I don't know how to help with that.

    I forget how to construct the needed "profile" on the forum in order to post. But if *I* was able to do it, anybody can. :-)

  23. Yes, I see Mark's work as the most important for life on the planet. Unassuming Mark, above presidents and potentates. He needn't panic or be anxious. I love how Mo sees it. The work is all done already, but we still get to act it out. Everybody has a job to do. Knowing what that job is, what blessing! From a Christian perspective, it might be as my mom once told me. If you worry, no need to pray. If you pray, no need t worry. Something like that anyway. No problem. Keep your stride. Carry on.

  24. I went to see Guy's talk last night in London.
    It was good to see him and Ariadne and to have a little chat. They're nearly done now here in Europe but it looks as if they were made very welcome wherever they went.

    Artleads and mo,

    I don't understand what you mean by "the work is done already but we still get to act it out".
    It seems to me that the job Mark does will never be done or is there a way now to make nuclear waste really safe? Have a missed something (no irony)?

    Mark. if you can make the time, please explain.

    I know what I need to do intuitively in the way that Guy talks about living a life of excellence (contributing in my way). Is that what you're talking about? But I have no illusions about what little old me can achieve. What's going on? Artleads, you sound like an oracle (no irony).
    I'm totally intrigued....

  25. Hi Sabine. Maybe I was misrepresenting MO, so he should speak for himself. (We've ben missing him recently.) Let's see if MO can answer first. Then oracle artleads can chime in if appropriate. :-)

  26. I'm trying this here first. Trying it on for size. This will be ugly (and brief).

    As we drive to and from Santa Fe, I take in the interplay of buildings and hills. Had there been no buildings along the way, I might have alternately been delighted by the natural beauty and alternately bored by it all. Seen one landscape, seen them all.

    But whenever I contemplate how a building affects my experience, I invariably want to see it removed; the landscape experience is much better without it. The edges of the buildings are too hard against the gentle flow of hills. They disrupt the awesome peace and tranquility. The edges are too hard. They don't integrate with nature. Rectangles, hardness everywhere.
    I've thought of shapes (like flat roofs) that would better harmonize with the horizontal flow of the mountains. But that doesn't quite do it. One reason is the lack of relationship between the top cornice edges of buildings with the surrounding landscape. The building look lifeless.

    So what's going on? I vaguely remember reading about the hard-to-perceive vividness of nature, even on a cloudy day. This all relates to Turner, to impressionist painting, to Seurat, to the physics of light, about all of which I'm but a very "cloudy confusionist." The natural world is more radiant than we readily perceive, and the colors on buildings are deader than their creators perceive. Can pastel colors be called vibrant? What effect would vibrant pastel colors have on those dry cornices? Or what about vivid reds and turquoise? As a university design project, strips of color matching cornice dimensions could be temporarily affixed on a few sample buildings...just to see what difference it would make.

  27. Artleads, Sabine.

    yep, it's done. now we have to do it. what this really means: there is only One thing. (that's why it is called "the One.") this "thing" is not bound by linear time, and it is omniscient. IT already knows all possible outcomes that this Universe of linear time can create, and it knows what ultimate outcome IT wants to create. it has both the end in mind, and it already knows this end had been completed.

    but that's only the top level view. the levels below this top level are *also* the One, but operating in a manner that is less than perfectly omniscient - to various degrees - and also bound by time, to various degrees. this means WE humans - and many other beings, even on Earth humans are just one group of major actors, there are MANY other groups of major actors involved here - act out the desires and actions of the One, itself.

    the paradox only comes from the fact that we have a hard time (heh) perceiving how the One can be both totally omniscient and not omniscient - in fact quite blind. that's only a problem and paradox from our POV. but the "problem and paradox" is a major point of the exercise, so that is not going to go away anytime soon.

    1. "this end has been completed"

    2. Thanks, Mo. Humans generally doesn't think in these terms. How do we think? Is it "cause and effect" linear thinking? But what if we consider that all is one? No? Time just continues forever? How can it continue forever if it began at some point? Forever means no beginning and no end. It doesn't just work in forward gear. Forever is forever. It's hard, but that forever-ness brings me closer to the concept of ONE that is beyond past and future. If we go beyond past and future, then "this end has been completed" indeed. Or so it seems.

    3. sure thang, Artleads. the overarching *key* idea is that the One means exactly what it means: it is everything. my only claim on any authority about making a statement like this - and I would never even use terms like "the One" if I didn't have this claim, is that I have lived it - I have lived it from exactly that "top level" POV that I mention above. it is my own knowledge, and discussion here on Kuku, from experience. nothing more and nothing less.

      as for time... I think the key distinction to keep in mind is that our physical Universe is a place of linear time, and the places *outside* of our Universe are free of this kind of linear time. the details of "can there be a beginning without and ending?" and so on are not so important. just the idea that our experience of "time" in this Universe - or similar places, such as parallel Universes, or physical Universes like ours, but distinct from ours - is probably the only kind of place this experience actually exists. everywhere else it is just larger and larger versions of "here-now" until you get to the final top level "here-now" which encompasses ALL.

      could the One actually have a Creator? my sense is that the One could understand that this is possible, but is would feel from its own experience of eternal existence that it is not the case that it is a created being. IT would know that if it did have a Creator, knowledge of the truth or falsity of that fact was entirely, forever out of ITs reach. and it just wouldn't (and doesn't) care.

      now then, if I went ahead with the next step here, and said "Artleads, you are the One." and I meant that literally (which I in fact do), then you would understand that you are forever forbidden from knowing whether or not you in fact had or have a Creator. and you also wouldn't care.

      this particularly nifty paradoxical loop is another reason why I am adamant about this truth: I am an existential nihilist.

    4. Sabine

      "It seems to me that the job Mark does will never be done or is there a way now to make nuclear waste really safe? Have a missed something (no irony)?"

      Again, Mark must speak for himself. But I take it that he's not seeking some final solution to nuclear waste, but a way to manage it better. To me, the question you raise comes to the forefront if/when industrial society runs (literally) out of gas. What happens then? Mark is trying to incorporate some of my ideas about that, and has listed a web site where those and other ideas will be displayed around the end of the year. If we're still here, we'll see them then.

      My take on energy collapse is that human organization needs to compensate for much of the collapse, and there is the chance that an enduring energy supply at nuclear sites alone can be maintained post collapse. Let's see what Mark has to say. He's so full of information and ideas that it often leaves me perplexed. Mark, can you just weigh in on what I (and Sabine) wrote here, with yes or no answers? Otherwise, we can get lost in the great complexity of issues that you face.

      As to what Mo and I (to a much lesser extent) are saying, I don't think it matters much. It either grabs you or it doesn't. For me right now, it amounts to a way of understanding that puts everything on the same level. Mo has great conviction and certainty about past lives, and other spheres of existence way beyond this one that we believe is so real and final. But I'm not convinced that this sphere of existence is real (and not an illusion). It doesn't change in the slightest how I behave toward other beings; it only means that I don't agonize about anything. AFAIK, it is all preordained, and operates according to a most perplexing paradox: free will and fate are different sides of the same coin. If this sounds like utter nonsense to you, just ignore it. It's not a big deal for me, doesn't get in my way. Instead it's freeing. It emboldens me to do the absolutely crazy things that might actually make a difference. (And what if they doesn't?) I act as wisely as I know how to, and leave it at that. Does this make anything clearer for you?

    5. I got this from the latest thread on NBL:

    6. "I am an existential nihilist." Sailing past St. Augustine on Saturday I heard your exact line in the wind.

      great conviction and certainty about past lives, and other spheres of existence way beyond this one WHICH IS EQUALLY REAL IMPORTANT & VAILD AS EVERYTHING OTHER IN INFINITY. Everything counts, even in small amounts.

      in fact had or have a Creator. and you also wouldn't care....then add a billion where you care a bit....a trillion where you are as numb as rock...a zillion where you completely forgot....oh and at least one where you did not. Go figure. Infinity is LOT'S of fun. Who's on first? Satish encountered Imaginary numbers. Subtract a quadrillion ? Love it, divide *IT* something for everyone. It's inside every atom. Every Time. Every where. (No where. No Time) muy Gracias, Bon Jour, much much much more in store *****

    7. mo, there's some serious food for thought in the comments you made above. I sometimes think of the Universe as an awesomely just place. A place where everyone is at the same level as everyone else. A place with no hierarchy and one where everyone is God and they know it at some level. The God I think of is not the one we make up - omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, all-watching father figure, but a God with much agency but much responsibility too. This isn't a limitation but a form of respect, reverence and humility. Yeah, a humble God.

      Ultimately, it's about what we are conscious of. We can be aware of innumerable possibilities and choose not to act on any of them. That's liberating. Although it's much harder, I believe we modern humans still have access to realms that the ancients were very familiar with. I believe you're touching upon those realms and accessing them. You draw upon them and articulate your experience as best as you can in plain English. It's then up to the reader to connect the ideas being expressed with their own experience. It's here that we run into some difficulty. Because we're conscious of all sorts of things in the present moment that impede a connection. Our social and cultural conditioning, our upbringing, schooling, etc. all sit on our shoulders like heavy loads distracting us from the lighter and subtler realms.

    8. MO FLOW - this is from Satish a year ago "scientists subscribe to a worldview that has a place for both their belief in God as well as their trust in Science. They are able to straddle these two worlds effortlessly."

      Story of Stories May 6th 2014 is possibly the most important story Satish has written on KuKu

    9. Satish -

      thanks for this lovely comment. it means so much to me to be able to share something, and see it reflected back from a totally unique perspective of another being, where I can both *see* that you received what I was saying, and *hear* your completely personal and beautiful way of putting it. that is a deep level of connection, and I cherish it.

      this in particular:

      "I sometimes think of the Universe as an awesomely just place. A place where everyone is at the same level as everyone else. A place with no hierarchy and one where everyone is God and they know it at some level."

      this really is the idea. we are all on the same level, as both part of the One, and in a very real way, the totality of the One, at any point - any point at all!

      yes, those heavy loads can feel so overwhelmingly heavy. the first step to lightening the load at any time, in any situation is realizing the possibility for choice. even if the choice isn't actually made to change anything, just even acknowledging the choice is there as a possibility is enough to move things, just a tiny bit. and that tiny bit might be just the small enough crack of light that moves something just a tiny bit more, later...

      Mark -

      "..then add a billion where you care a bit....a trillion where you are as numb as rock...a zillion where you completely forgot....oh and at least one where you did not. Go figure. Infinity is LOT'S of fun."

      now this is some awesome, and yep, super fun, math! :)

    10. Mark -

      thanks for pointing out that particular article and quote from Satish. going to check it out for sure. and yes, I think straddling, and even harmonizing, these two worlds is entirely possible, and is done quite beautifully by some scientists and some mystics - in fact I am pretty sure there are scientists out there who are deeply mystical in their hearts, yet they consciously keep that part of their lives completely out of public view - for obvious reasons! :)

  28. Artleads, I just heard this podcast the other day -

    Much is said there about land use and re-wilding (rather than preserving our cities as they are with some modifications like urban permaculture). I like how Peter Michael Bauer weaves in the micro with the macro with his excellent understanding of the big picture. Few people are able to connect the works of Daniel Quinn to the current moment and see the links and applicability like he does. Never heard of him before.

    1. Hi Satish,

      Thanks for connecting me to the rewilding movement. Bauer is a very knowledgeable gentleman, and it's good to learn about the connection to native peoples. He also warned about the fitness types and the damage they do now. I suspect they will do more as their numbers grow. I find this concerning. It reminds me of the great hordes of the "civilized" who clutter up national parks.

      I'm afraid I can't condone the potential occupation of the wild by more and more (unwashed) "white-centric" (his term) young people who don't know their place, who have not paid their dues for their privilege. OTOH, I'm impressed that Geoff Lawton pays attention to permaculture within urban space.

      So I don't see any reason to back off of my urban focus. I nevertheless would like to see *controlled* experiments to see how to get responsible (appropriately educated/reformed) people into the wilderness. It's going to take many different approaches, I believe.

  29. Great comments above! Great sail at over 5.5 knots per hour from Miami all the way north up Fla coast to Jacksonville by Sunday evening. Morning flight to D.C. working late tonight. Jim & I hope to get the boat from Jacksonville to Charleston next weekend. Sea spray with flying fish. Exhillariting. I could just see SABINE as our lady at the bow. Salt in her hair with stars streaming overhead all night long.

    SABINE, unless there is a surprise discovery, I doubt there will ever be a truly safe soultion for nuclear reactors or their waste. If such a scientific breakthrough did happen I'm sure it would be big news. I'd be cheering and typing problem solved in bold letters. You have not missed a thing. Gallows Humor: I'm still waiting for aliens to have Mo Flow pop out of my computer screen eating nuclear wheeties....otherwise Huston we have a problem. During a future catastrophe the reactors will not stay cool without work crews. Maybe some kind engineers will stay alert for days without food, water, pay, missing their families or suffering during pandemic - however, even if we did not loose expert staff at the plants they might have a hard time keeping the reactors cool if back up generators are lost. (Each plant was about a weeks supply of diesel for emergency generators.) Our only problem is keeping things safe after a large scale event. Detailed plans do exist for limited nuclear war, bio-war & EMP events with will make it almost impossible to deliver disel and keep dozens of plants safe during these planned warfare impacts. Over a dozen countries have Generals working on specific attack strategies around the clock. The Military-Industrial complex is massive compared to safety & risk management. If you are interested the Pentagon (DARPA) has the most sophisticated weapons technology in development. Many divisions are preparing for a global "Event". PLEASE do not think that I approve. I am only being honest about facts & projects in development, which include a certain amount of the very elite who are convinced they can survive. They are convinced that reducing world population via a number of bio-events will give them a planet that is easier to manage. Better control over limited resources. Lord Mountbatten & Prince Charles have been major contributors to the Alfred Pike plan. The Georgia Guide Stones have the plan carved in Granite for all tourists to visit. Agenda 21 is no secret except for the unresolved radiation & nuclear waste issues that will remain in a world with less experts to clean it up for them. Not everyone in power approves of this plan. Meetings have been going on for years with Putin who does strongly believe he can develop the resources to inherit the earth after bio-events. It might sound crazy but some of them are dead serious about using the viral war genetic release options.

    General Electric is making rapid test advancements with Liquid Sodium that may help safely reduce reactor radiation levels. The Sodium water solution might maintain the rods without crews. Due to 35 year decommissioning process, they are seeking more effective measures to maintain reactors without the need for large crews. Beyond very specific & detailed plans for bio event, there are other unplanned natural events or surprise nuclear attacks / cyber war that could cause chain reactions.

    All my best to each of you for prevention for as long as possible.

    1. Is Putin just preparing for what the crazy people HERE are up to? Anyway, I've been thinking that there is a case to be made for "ignoring" the crazy people and instead plugging ahead with a broad-based community paradigm--that includes everybody--for as much safety as is humanly possible. It's a competition between sanity and madness. Sanity has a fairly decent chance to prevail. And why aren't there two YEARS worth of diesel back up power installed underground?

    2. Main factor is explosion danger. Also expiration of dated fuel. 9 plants have a 3 week supply in separate tank systems. Biggest oversight (which has been debated in Congress) is always expecting military forces to be able to fuel non impact regions. We are simply a bit blind to not being able to fully rely on infrastructure. None of this is serious concern until an entire region gets hit by bio-war or limited scale nuclear terror.

      China's leaders Xi Jingping & Zhou Xiaochuan have been our best allies against Bio-war so far....but they are building huge bases right now in the South China sea and they did release their plans to nuke the West coast this past Nov if we do not pull back Philippines & Japan territory dispute.

      Putin is a very active wild card. Do a quick search on Putin WW3 and you will find plenty of news from major sources. Of Course the USA is a huge problem, however, most of the defense contractors work for everyone. all sides. Forget the propaganda from one side or the other. The IMF is International Bank of Settlements moves our massive funds daily to arms accounts. Exchanges are in transaction every hour. The Davos & Bilderberg Elite own all the global conglomerates. Most of the International Industrial complex leaders have interconnected plans for "Events" 2028-2033. The scale of preperations fills the Pentagon, Crystal City towers, Wall Street, Bejing, Moscow, Zurich, etc. If you were here I could get you a limited access tour, so you could see a level of this for yourself. Global "plans" are done in micro-detail. Satish would also know how closely all of this is connected to Silicon Valley technology advancements.

    3. Hi Mark, that's news to me that the Chinese leaders have released plans to nuke the West coast if things go wrong. The tensions in the South China Sea should make us nervous about a conflict breaking out. The race for the last remaining bit of resources on the planet is heating up and countries armed to the teeth are making a bid for the same piece of the pie. Of course, when I say "countries", it's the oligarchs who run them. Every country has some of those at the helm.

    4. Hi Mark,

      How far away from a plants does stored diesel fuel have to be to avoid an explosion affecting the plant?

      Can a steel "housing"/perimeter contain an average explosion?

      Could businesses, residencies in the radius of plants house diesel fuel to use in the emergencies? (Given rewards such as tax credits for doing so.)

      If the answer to the above is affirmative, could years of diesel supply be distributed in small increments over a wide area? In that case, could the aging (the longest stored increments) be systematically replaced? In that case, the aggregate store of years-supply of fuel would remain intact.

    5. Thanks Mark, mo, and Artleads for your replies to me.

      I always appreciate it when you put down your thoughts for me.
      I'm now going back into my garden, even though we've got a cold polar vortex working its curse on this island (it's really too cold). But I'll wrap up warm and let everything go through my mind.

    6. ARTLEADS - NRC rules = min. 50 yards. All tanks have double cement walls around them.

      YES - I will work on this right away. Must submit idea to IRS. Need 2 congress members to approve to go into new tax code. businesses in the radius of plants to house diesel fuel to use in the emergencies to be granted tax deductions for doing so. I will insist on a schedule of diesel being systematically replaced

      I am requesting FARADAY cages to go around all back up generators. An EMP attack would knock out all back-up generators & transfort motors if not "hardened" or Faraday cage protected to deflect the EMP atmospheric blast charge.

    7. Satish - Since I am a contractor my security clearance level is fairly low. Most of the things I see make it onto an assortment of web sites about a week after. You already know Global Research in Canada. Also news sources in Sweden & Norway will get the TV clips onto youtube rather quickly so you can search or verify anything I mention. You know I am quite open about everything....but it is odd that Bruce Jenner gets 17million views, while this past Friday North Korea EMP test launch on Korea TV news barely got a mention except in Hawaii since the 20 new nuclear warheads were being satellite guided-directed Friday on Honolulu targets. For Sabine's sake I hope she does a search on "operation Griffin" being aimed at UK this week. It is the largest 'virtual' nuclear targeting test from Russia toward Denmark strike zones ever to be cyber enacted. Actual nuclear bomber jets will be flying over all the zones again same as the practice flights over past months. I assume Sabine has seen the news on her BBC2. No doubt both sides of the weapons contractors are behind this "show of force" Sadly one second trigger mistake could unleash the real thing as has happened taking these kind of military risks in the past. Anything I can develop for safety will apply to UK reactors. A small 15kt strike on Newcastle would have side effects on the nuclear reactors in the region. England is a very small country to contain several meltdown mistakes in any quadrant. Almost everything I report can be read in much greater detail if you care to understand more. Prior to WW2 many people were unaware of activity and advancements toward Poland. Very large events are being "rehearsed" in full scale drill levels never before attempted. You are an excellent writer so please do check the facts and see as much as possible for yourself. This time in the near future has been based on old plans and long term pre-set conditions connected to Climate Change & other issues. None of this is unfolding by accident. Very unlikely we will see full climate change impacts in the next decade because the superpowers have a long established investment in "EVENTS" for 2017. Anything you don't know I'll be glad to provide links...then please do the research from there. You might be interested in writing about the biggest plans & events that will probably effect the near future. (Obviously any radical accident or uncertainty might apply) Otherwise, not knowing is also a peaceful choice. I admire how you connect many dots with deep thinking about the past, roots & reflections. Nothing I say would compare to the amazing insights you would provide in your own words about the near future "Planned" resource conflicts. My words are barely data points. Even Haydus Monkey on NBL turned the ITER info into an eloquent report. Our future needs writers with talent & a bit of forewarning. All my best.

    8. Thanks, Mark. My ignorance of such things is stunning. I'll look up Faraday Cage next.

      "This article is about the phenomenon in general. For nuclear EMP weapons, see Nuclear electromagnetic pulse.

      An electromagnetic pulse (EMP), also sometimes called a transient electromagnetic disturbance, is a short burst of electromagnetic energy. Such a pulse may occur in the form of a radiated, electric or magnetic field or conducted electrical current depending on the source, and may be natural or man-made. The term 'electromagnetic pulse' is commonly abbreviated to the initialism EMP (which is pronounced by saying the letters separately, "E-M-P").

      EMP interference is generally disruptive or damaging to electronic equipment, and at higher energy levels a powerful EMP event such as a lightning strike can damage physical objects such as buildings and aircraft structures. The management of EMP effects is an important branch of electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) engineering.

      The damaging effects of high-energy EMP have been used to create EMP weapons. These are typically divided into nuclear and non-nuclear devices. Such weapons, both real and fictional, are becoming known to the public by means of popular culture."

    9. I forgot to include the Wikipedia link for EMPs, but it's easy to search.

      Faraday Cage:

      "A Faraday cage or Faraday shield is an enclosure formed by conductive material or by a mesh of such material. Such an enclosure blocks external static and non-static electric fields by channeling electricity along and around, but not through, the mesh, providing constant voltage on all sides of the enclosure. Since the difference in voltage is the measure of electrical potential, no current flows through the space. Faraday cages are named after the English scientist Michael Faraday, who invented them in 1836.[1]

      A Faraday cage operates because an external static electrical field causes the electric charges within the cage's conducting material to be distributed such that they cancel the field's effect in the cage's interior. This phenomenon is used, for example, to protect electronic equipment from lightning strikes and electrostatic discharges."

      The science and politics of all this are so complicated they detract from other vital aspects of defense and security. The first one I'd mention is INTEGRITY. There's no way to flutter around with this ugly, ungainly complexity and be optimally safe. Calm must prevail. The second I'd mention is THOROUGHNESS. Every little crack must be filled. Every "i" dotted and every "t" crossed. Or maybe not.

      There was a John Wayne movie called The Shootist. He was a highly renowned gunfighter, but he had something surprising to say about his skill. It wasn't about the fast draw; it was instead about the slow, thorough, methodical, careful aim. Doing the unexpected is also helpful. America going back to old fashioned thoroughness, simplicity, thrift and consistency would not be expected.

      Thanks again Mark for all you do. Your incorporation of our common-person suggestions is amazing.

    10. Speaking of the unexpected: I saw a movie where a guy was going around instigating duels. He would set the rules. "Okay, take ten paces, turn and fire on the count of three! Then, he would fire on the count of two.

      Worked every time.

    11. Hi Shep.

      People who are stupid enough to go fighting duels get what's coming to them. :-)

    12. In other words, as they might say today, it's the survival of the fittest, which is usually a euphemism for the meanest, most deceitful, cunning, cheating kind.

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    1. Hi Satish,

      I've just read your comment on population on NBL. You really do know how to structure a subject and tell the story well, better than anybody I know.
      With a bit of luck, it will give certain NBLers much food for thought because you never have "an axe to grind". That's very unusual.

      Take good care of yourself, you're a precious and rare human being.

    2. Thank you, Sabine! You have such kind words for me, I feel fortunate.

  31. Remember that old table in the firehouse Artleads wrote about. It had a living energy. Aged, distressed yet noble. It held many things during it's time. Out of place. Outside spoken words. But Artleads could read it's wood grain language. It haunted me this morning. In the alley a large carved oak table was set out to trash. Georgetown is a wealthy and very historic district of Washington D.C. - Possibly the oak table was a hundred years old. A decade ago I never saw antique furniture put out to trash. Maybe an old chair once in 2003 that I carried to a thrift store. But now the district is too wealthy for a thrift store. The table was too big for me to drag it anywhere. It is like a living reminder of Mike K. funeral letter on NBL. The Oak tree that died to become the oak table was now about to go off to trash without ceremony. I started to cry. Why can't I save it? Who do I call? Can I get to work on time? I never knew this table, why should I care....but it's table legs were's top could be sanded & varnished, the grand oak table with a herring bone carved rim can't just go to waste. The last of a late fallen cherry blossom blew past the table in the alley. "Today is extinction for this table? Nihilism....Unreal. No God, but I alone to say goodbye to a work of art table." It is a grey dawn, but the sun is rising. All the tables in the world need protection, or should I not go seek solutions for all --- when here in the alley I could try to save just one ???

    1. Heartbreaking. It's a thing but not a thing. It's about utility but much more than that. OGF and I talked about the divorce of art and utility. The table you saw is a piece of art, a testimony to craftsmanship, of workmanship, unlike the straight-line furniture from IKEA. It's a living thing. It has a spirit. It is spirit or it wouldn't have moved you so. I wish I could see a picture of it. Perhaps a digital photo of it taken by a modern smart phone is all the memory it can afford in the consciousness of humans these days. It's all the funeral we can afford to give it. Will the people who take it use it? I really hope so. I have been picking up things off the street to use at home since I came to the US. One of the first things I picked up in 1999 was a black table lamp. I was shocked that a perfectly fine lamp in working condition was chucked on the sidewalk. I still have it and use it occasionally. And yet it's just a cheap metal and plastic lamp. The Oak table is something else. It came from a giving tree.

    2. The Giving Tree provided apples to sell...then it's life for a boat to sail away..yikes that hit close. I've been haunted by the table all day because I let it go. Jim said he took pictures before he went to work this morning. Maybe a lady friend with a truck at the FBI went and got it before the garbage men. I read a bit of the spirit of Artleads in the table. Also we are supposed to move onto the boat next month after we sail it each weekend a few states north. Keep moving and letting go of things but I'd never put good furniture in the trash. I've never seen waste like this except before the 2008 economy collapse. Now it's like a gold rush of consumption again. So glad you saved that black lamp my friend. Thanks

    3. Glad Jim snapped some pictures.

    4. Yours is such a touching tale, and I'm grateful to be included in it. But all is not lost. What if the table can live on through the love it inspires we give to something infinitely less lovable? What if it's a giving table? The table and a new inspiration arrived at the same time. At least, I can't figure out which came first.

      As a sort of follow on to what I wrote yesterday about thoroughness (you must forgive me; the substitute teacher from hell and the cruel enforcer are probably not going away anytime soon) I made a link between Buckingham Palace and nuclear plants, the latter surfacing today.

      (I don't know how I would change if I visited Buckingham Palace [BP] and saw dust in a hidden corner. In my child's imagination I still fancy BP as being the place on earth where no cobweb or slight trace of dust is allowed. But this is only a childish aspiration to reverence and awe. Maybe I would feel similarly about a Zen garden.)

      So, yes, nuclear plants. Nuclear plants that are kept like palaces and Zen gardens. Places of reverence and awe. (If there are people thousands of years hence, can't we imagine them treating these places as shrines?) This is because they have the power to destroy all life. Conversely, they throw down the gauntlet for humans to change. They offer the grimmest and most exalted of choices. Can we begin to see the plants as places of worship, or at least places where the aspiration for perfection is paramount? Not a single crack allowed? Ritual order? Respect?

  32. The sturdy table legs supported the top but got less glory. Like a mother. She must weep at this waste, this lack of love.

  33. Beautifully written story, Mark. I love your account of the table.

    Well, the tree lived fully while it lived. And then it went on to become the focus of human hands and craftsmanship, and appreciation for a very long time. It was a table, and like a tableau for a hundred years of changing, living experience. Now it goes on to be someone's job, to pick up, to remove, and forget.

    Before I moved to Alaska I ordered the Anchorage Daily News to be delivered to my house in California and I read it for six months prior to visiting Alaska. Alaska has a very visible and politically vibrant Native community, more than other states. When I arrived in Alaska the Native population was just over 15% of the population, more than any other state. There was a front-story on an elder in a village who was over 100 years old. The reporter interviewed her about her life, and during the interview asked what it was like to know that her life could end at any time, and that at best there were relatively few days remaining to her. The elder replied, "Life is changes."

    Life never ends. Life and death are not opposites, birth and death are. Mark, if you could give in to the love, what would you do? Would you do as I have done, and go to live with your beloved in love? What if they gave a war and no one came? What if they gave a civilization and no one came?

    1. Peace, blessings, Health & happy times. OLD GROWTH FOREST if you ever have a book or collection of stories I can help you get published please let me know. As I mentioned before your description of the Gandolfini man in the grocery store with small boy clinging to his leg was excellent. Maybe in the late fall after your busy summer season. All my very best.